I have been using Mint for many many years. Despite this, I feel that asking if the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu is the Desktop Environment is a bit of a newbie question, and one that I can't easily find the answer to.
I ask this because I have a new Dell XPS laptop that I have installed Ubuntu on, whilst my previous laptop run Mint. And one immediate difference I have noticed that is when Mint suspends, the laptop generates no heat, whilst the laptop running Ubuntu gets very hot when suspended -- so hot I don't feel it's a good idea to leave it suspended.
It would not surprise me to learn that I can do some fiddling to get Ubuntu to better suspend the laptop, but it has made me wonder if Mint is configured more ideally such that it's differences to Ubuntu is more than just the Desktop Environment.
I.e Should I consider installing Mint and then installing Unity, rather than just installing Ubuntu? Or is there no underlying differences between the two such that it is redundant which is installed as the base OS?
Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
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Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
YES - to some degree, the LinuxMint system is just another Desktop Environment,
that is running on an Ubuntu base.
but, it is also a little more than just another Desktop Environment,,
as the LinuxMint system, has also customised the Ubuntu operating system - as well.
ie: the core is still an Ubuntu system, but with some extensive changes, made around that core system.
that is running on an Ubuntu base.
but, it is also a little more than just another Desktop Environment,,
as the LinuxMint system, has also customised the Ubuntu operating system - as well.
ie: the core is still an Ubuntu system, but with some extensive changes, made around that core system.
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
- No, you should not consider that, in my view. Mixing and matching rarely leads to good results. If you prefer Unity, you clearly want to install Ubuntu, so install Ubuntu. If you prefer Mint, however, go with a native Mint DE.
- No, that is not the case.
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
The direct answer to the topic is, quite, no.
It is the difference between Ubuntu "Flavors"(which is only the difference of DE) and Ubuntu "derivative": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
Also, you can customize a Mint DE to have the look and feel of Unity which is a fine solution rather than putting the system into a tricky situation by mixing repositories and having to manage packages based on that scenario.
It is the difference between Ubuntu "Flavors"(which is only the difference of DE) and Ubuntu "derivative": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
Also, you can customize a Mint DE to have the look and feel of Unity which is a fine solution rather than putting the system into a tricky situation by mixing repositories and having to manage packages based on that scenario.
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
You've changed two things and are assuming one of them is responsible for the problem. It could very easily be the laptop which is the problem. Indeed, we had a thread about a similar problem a couple months ago.microUgly wrote: ⤴Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:01 amI ask this because I have a new Dell XPS laptop that I have installed Ubuntu on, whilst my previous laptop run Mint. And one immediate difference I have noticed that is when Mint suspends, the laptop generates no heat, whilst the laptop running Ubuntu gets very hot when suspended -- so hot I don't feel it's a good idea to leave it suspended.
FYI, Ubuntu left Unity behind some time ago and is now using the Gnome desktop.Should I consider installing Mint and then installing Unity, rather than just installing Ubuntu?
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
Packages only installed in a default Mint 19.2 Cinnamon on the left, those only installed in a default Ubuntu 18.04.3 on the right (including packages only installed in the live environments):
(blame idle curiosity)
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$ diff -y --suppress-common-lines <(cut -f1 mint-19.2-cinnamon/filesystem.manifest) <(cut -f1 ubuntu-18.04.3/filesystem.manifest)
add-apt-key <
> adium-theme-ubuntu
> aisleriot
> amd64-microcode
app-install-data | app-install-data-partner
> apport
> apport-gtk
> apport-symptoms
> apt-config-icons
aptitude <
aptitude-common <
attr <
bison <
blueberry <
bluetooth <
bluez-tools <
boot-repair | branding-ubuntu
boot-sav <
boot-sav-extra <
ca-certificates-java <
caribou <
> cheese
> cheese-common
cinnamon <
cinnamon-common <
cinnamon-control-center <
cinnamon-control-center-data <
cinnamon-control-center-dbg <
cinnamon-dbg <
cinnamon-desktop-data <
cinnamon-l10n <
cinnamon-screensaver <
cinnamon-session <
cinnamon-session-common <
cinnamon-settings-daemon <
cjs <
cli-common <
curl <
dcraw <
dctrl-tools <
default-jre | deja-dup
default-jre-headless <
dialog <
dkms <
doc-base <
docbook-xml <
dpkg-dev <
e2fslibs:amd64 <
ecryptfs-utils <
> eog
ethtool | evince
> evince-common
exfat-fuse | example-content
exfat-utils <
fakeroot <
> firefox-locale-de
flatpak | firefox-locale-es
flex | firefox-locale-fr
folder-color-switcher | firefox-locale-it
> firefox-locale-pt
> firefox-locale-ru
> firefox-locale-zh-hans
> fonts-arphic-ukai
> fonts-arphic-uming
fonts-mathjax <
gawk <
gcc <
gcc-7 <
gconf-service <
gconf-service-backend <
gconf2 <
gconf2-common <
gdebi <
gdebi-core <
> gdm3
> gedit
> gedit-common
gimp <
gimp-data <
gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1 <
gir1.2-appstream-1.0 <
gir1.2-caribou-1.0 <
gir1.2-cinnamondesktop-3.0 <
gir1.2-clutter-1.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-clutter-gst-3.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-cmenu-3.0 <
gir1.2-cogl-1.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-coglpango-1.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-cvc-1.0 <
gir1.2-flatpak-1.0:amd64 <
> gir1.2-gck-1:amd64
> gir1.2-gcr-3:amd64
gir1.2-gkbd-3.0:amd64 | gir1.2-gdm-1.0
> gir1.2-geoclue-2.0:amd64
> gir1.2-geocodeglib-1.0:amd64
> gir1.2-gmenu-3.0:amd64
> gir1.2-goa-1.0:amd64
gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-gtop-2.0:amd64 <
> gir1.2-gweather-3.0:amd64
gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-3.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-keybinder-3.0 | gir1.2-mutter-2:amd64
gir1.2-mate-desktop <
gir1.2-matedesktop-2.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-matemenu-2.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-matepanelapplet-4.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-meta-muffin-0.0 <
gir1.2-nemo-3.0 <
gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0:amd64 <
> gir1.2-rsvg-2.0:amd64
> gir1.2-snapd-1:amd64
> gir1.2-totem-1.0:amd64
> gir1.2-totemplparser-1.0:amd64
> gir1.2-unity-5.0:amd64
gir1.2-webkit-3.0:amd64 <
gir1.2-xapp-1.0 <
gir1.2-xplayer-1.0 | gjs
gir1.2-xplayer-plparser-1.0 <
gir1.2-xreader <
glade2script <
gnome-calculator <
> gnome-control-center
> gnome-control-center-data
> gnome-control-center-faces
gnome-icon-theme | gnome-getting-started-docs
gnome-icon-theme-symbolic | gnome-getting-started-docs-de
> gnome-getting-started-docs-es
> gnome-getting-started-docs-fr
> gnome-getting-started-docs-it
> gnome-getting-started-docs-pt
> gnome-getting-started-docs-ru
> gnome-initial-setup
gnome-logs | gnome-mahjongg
> gnome-mines
gnome-orca <
> gnome-session-common
gnome-system-monitor | gnome-shell
> gnome-shell-common
> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator
> gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock
> gnome-software
> gnome-software-common
> gnome-software-plugin-snap
> gnome-startup-applications
> gnome-sudoku
gnome-themes-standard | gnome-todo
> gnome-todo-common
> gnome-user-docs
> gnome-user-docs-de
> gnome-user-docs-es
> gnome-user-docs-fr
> gnome-user-docs-it
> gnome-user-docs-pt
> gnome-user-docs-ru
> gnome-user-docs-zh-hans
> gnome-user-guide
> gnome-video-effects
> grilo-plugins-0.3-base:amd64
growisofs <
> gsettings-ubuntu-schemas
> gstreamer1.0-gtk3:amd64
> gtk-im-libthai:amd64
gtk2-engines:amd64 <
gucharmap <
gufw <
hddtemp <
hexchat <
hexchat-common <
hfsprogs <
hwdata <
i965-va-driver:amd64 | ibus
ideviceinstaller | ibus-chewing
> ibus-gtk:amd64
> ibus-gtk3:amd64
> ibus-hangul
> ibus-libpinyin
> ibus-m17n
> ibus-mozc
> ibus-table
> ibus-table-cangjie
> ibus-table-cangjie-big
> ibus-table-cangjie3
> ibus-table-cangjie5
> ibus-table-quick-classic
> ibus-table-wubi
> ibus-unikey
ifuse <
> imagemagick
> imagemagick-6.q16
> intel-microcode
inxi <
iso-flag-png | iucode-tool
java-common <
keyutils <
> language-pack-de
> language-pack-de-base
> language-pack-es
> language-pack-es-base
> language-pack-fr
> language-pack-fr-base
> language-pack-gnome-de
> language-pack-gnome-de-base
> language-pack-gnome-es
> language-pack-gnome-es-base
> language-pack-gnome-fr
> language-pack-gnome-fr-base
> language-pack-gnome-it
> language-pack-gnome-it-base
> language-pack-gnome-pt
> language-pack-gnome-pt-base
> language-pack-gnome-ru
> language-pack-gnome-ru-base
> language-pack-gnome-zh-hans
> language-pack-gnome-zh-hans-base
> language-pack-it
> language-pack-it-base
> language-pack-pt
> language-pack-pt-base
> language-pack-ru
> language-pack-ru-base
> language-pack-zh-hans
> language-pack-zh-hans-base
> language-selector-gnome
libamd2:amd64 <
libappindicator0.1-cil <
libappindicator1 <
libasan4:amd64 | libart-2.0-2:amd64
libatomic1:amd64 <
> libavahi-ui-gtk3-0:amd64
libavcodec57:amd64 <
libavformat57:amd64 <
libavutil55:amd64 <
libbabl-0.1-0:amd64 <
libbison-dev:amd64 <
libblas3:amd64 <
libbluray2:amd64 <
libcamd2:amd64 <
libcaribou-common <
libcaribou0:amd64 <
libccolamd2:amd64 <
libchamplain-0.12-0:amd64 | libcheese-gtk25:amd64
libchamplain-gtk-0.12-0:amd64 | libcheese8:amd64
libcholmod3:amd64 | libchewing3:amd64
libchromaprint1:amd64 | libchewing3-data
libcilkrts5:amd64 <
libcinnamon-control-center1:amd64 <
libcinnamon-desktop-dbg:amd64 <
libcinnamon-desktop4:amd64 <
libcinnamon-menu-3-0 <
libcinnamon-menu-3-0-dbg <
libcjs-dbg <
libcjs0f <
> libcolord-gtk1:amd64
libcrystalhd3:amd64 <
libcscreensaver0:amd64 <
libcurl4:amd64 <
libcvc-dbg:amd64 <
libcvc0:amd64 <
libcwidget3v5:amd64 <
libdbus-glib2.0-cil <
libdbus2.0-cil <
libecryptfs1 <
libel-api-java <
libept1.5.0:amd64 <
> libevdocument3-4:amd64
> libevview3-3:amd64
libfakeroot:amd64 <
libflatpak0:amd64 <
> libfreerdp-client2-2:amd64
> libfreerdp2-2:amd64
libgcc-7-dev:amd64 <
libgconf-2-4:amd64 <
libgconf2.0-cil <
libgdiplus <
> libgdm1
libgegl-0.3-0:amd64 <
libgfortran4:amd64 | libgexiv2-2:amd64
libgif7:amd64 <
libgimp2.0 <
> libgjs0g
libglade2-0:amd64 <
libgles2-mesa:amd64 <
libglib2.0-cil <
libgme0:amd64 <
libgmime-2.6-0:amd64 <
libgmime2.6-cil <
> libgnome-autoar-0-0:amd64
> libgnome-games-support-1-3:amd64
> libgnome-games-support-common
> libgnome-menu-3-0:amd64
> libgnome-todo
> libgom-1.0-0:amd64
libgsm1:amd64 <
libgtk2-perl <
libgtk2.0-cil <
libgtkmm-3.0-1v5:amd64 <
libgtkspell0:amd64 <
libgucharmap-2-90-7:amd64 <
> libhangul-data
> libhangul1:amd64
libhsqldb1.8.0-java <
libimobiledevice-utils <
libindicator7 <
libitm1:amd64 <
libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0:amd64 <
libjs-mathjax <
libjsp-api-java <
libkeybinder-3.0-0:amd64 <
liblapack3:amd64 <
liblightdm-gobject-1-0:amd64 <
> libllvm6.0:amd64
liblsan0:amd64 <
> liblua5.3-0:amd64
> libm17n-0:amd64
> libmagickcore-6.q16-3-extra:amd64
libmate-desktop-2-17:amd64 <
libmate-menu2:amd64 <
libmate-panel-applet-4-1:amd64 <
libmateweather-common <
libmateweather1:amd64 <
> libmediaart-2.0-0:amd64
libmetacity1:amd64 <
libmetis5:amd64 <
libmng2:amd64 <
libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil <
libmono-addins0.2-cil <
libmono-cairo4.0-cil <
libmono-corlib4.5-cil <
libmono-posix4.0-cil <
libmono-security4.0-cil <
libmono-sharpzip4.84-cil <
libmono-system-configuration4.0-cil <
libmono-system-core4.0-cil <
libmono-system-drawing4.0-cil <
libmono-system-security4.0-cil <
libmono-system-xml4.0-cil <
libmono-system4.0-cil <
libmpx2:amd64 <
libmuffin0 | libmutter-2-0:amd64
libmusicbrainz5-2:amd64 <
libmusicbrainz5cc2v5:amd64 <
libnemo-extension1:amd64 <
> libnetpbm10
libnm-glib4:amd64 <
libnm-util2:amd64 <
libopenjp2-7:amd64 <
libopenmpt0:amd64 <
libopenobex2 <
libostree-1-1:amd64 | libotf0:amd64
libp11-kit-gnome-keyring:amd64 <
libpango-perl <
libpeas-1.0-python2loader:amd64 <
> libpinyin-data:amd64
> libpinyin13:amd64
libpkcs11-helper1:amd64 <
> libqqwing2v5:amd64
libquadmath0:amd64 <
librarian0 <
libreoffice-base <
libreoffice-base-drivers <
libreoffice-java-common <
libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb | libreoffice-style-breeze
libsdl1.2debian:amd64 <
libservlet-api-java <
libservlet3.1-java <
libshine3:amd64 <
libsigsegv2:amd64 <
libsnappy1v5:amd64 <
libsoxr0:amd64 <
libssh-gcrypt-4:amd64 | libssh-4:amd64
libswresample2:amd64 | libsysmetrics1:amd64
libswscale4:amd64 <
> libtotem0:amd64
> libtracker-sparql-2.0-0:amd64
libtsan0:amd64 <
libubsan0:amd64 | libu2f-udev
libumfpack5:amd64 <
libusb-0.1-4:amd64 <
libuuid-perl <
libva-drm2:amd64 <
libva-x11-2:amd64 <
libva2:amd64 <
libvdpau1:amd64 <
libvisual-0.4-plugins:amd64 | libvncclient1:amd64
libwebkitgtk-3.0-0:amd64 <
libwebsocket-api-java | libwhoopsie-preferences0
> libwhoopsie0:amd64
> libwinpr2-2:amd64
libx264-152:amd64 <
libx265-146:amd64 <
libxapp1:amd64 <
> libxcb-res0:amd64
> libxml-libxml-perl
libxplayer-plparser18 <
libxplayer0 <
libxreaderdocument3 <
libxreaderview3 <
libxvidcore4:amd64 <
libyaml-tiny-perl <
libzip4:amd64 | libzinnia0v5
libzvbi-common | light-themes
libzvbi0:amd64 <
lightdm <
lightdm-settings <
linux-headers-4.15.0-54 | linux-generic-hwe-18.04
linux-headers-4.15.0-54-generic | linux-headers-5.0.0-23
linux-image-4.15.0-54-generic | linux-headers-5.0.0-23-generic
linux-kernel-generic | linux-headers-generic-hwe-18.04
linux-libc-dev:amd64 | linux-image-5.0.0-23-generic
linux-modules-4.15.0-54-generic | linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-54-generic | linux-modules-5.0.0-23-generic
> linux-modules-extra-5.0.0-23-generic
> linux-signed-generic-hwe-18.04
linuxmint-keyring <
lm-sensors <
m4 | m17n-db
make <
makedev <
manpages-dev <
mate-desktop <
mate-desktop-common <
mate-menus <
mate-panel <
mate-panel-common <
mate-polkit:amd64 <
mate-polkit-common <
menu-xdg <
mesa-utils <
mesa-va-drivers:amd64 <
metacity <
metacity-common <
mint-artwork <
mint-backgrounds-tara <
mint-backgrounds-tessa <
mint-backgrounds-tina <
mint-common <
mint-info-cinnamon <
mint-meta-cinnamon <
mint-meta-core <
mint-mirrors <
mint-themes <
mint-translations <
mint-upgrade-info <
mint-x-icons <
mint-y-icons <
mintbackup <
mintdrivers <
mintinstall <
mintlocale <
mintmenu <
mintreport <
mintsources <
mintstick <
mintsystem <
mintupdate <
mintwelcome <
mono-4.0-gac <
mono-gac <
mono-runtime <
mono-runtime-common <
mono-runtime-sgen <
> mozc-data
> mozc-server
> mozc-utils-gui
muffin <
muffin-common <
muffin-dbg <
> mutter
> mutter-common
> nautilus
> nautilus-extension-gnome-terminal
> nautilus-sendto
> nautilus-share
nemo <
nemo-data <
nemo-dbg <
nemo-emblems <
nemo-fileroller <
nemo-preview <
nemo-share <
net-tools <
> netpbm
network-manager-openvpn <
network-manager-openvpn-gnome <
> notification-daemon
nvidia-prime-applet <
obex-data-server <
onboard <
onboard-common <
openjdk-11-jre:amd64 <
openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64 <
openvpn <
p7zip <
p7zip-full <
pix <
pix-data <
pix-dbg <
pkg-config <
> plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo
pm-utils <
policykit-1-gnome <
> popularity-contest
python-apt <
python-cairo:amd64 <
python-configobj <
python-dbus <
python-gi <
python-glade2 <
python-gobject-2 <
python-gtk2 <
python-nemo <
python-parted <
python-psutil <
python-setproctitle:amd64 <
python-six <
python-xapp <
python-xdg <
python-xlib <
> python3-asn1crypto
python3-bs4 <
python3-configobj <
> python3-cryptography
> python3-dateutil
> python3-distro-info
> python3-distupgrade
> python3-keyring
> python3-keyrings.alt
> python3-launchpadlib
> python3-lazr.restfulclient
> python3-lazr.uri
> python3-oauth
> python3-olefile
python3-psutil <
python3-pycurl <
python3-pyinotify <
> python3-renderpm:amd64
python3-setproctitle:amd64 | python3-secretstorage
> python3-simplejson
> python3-software-properties
python3-tinycss <
> python3-update-manager
python3-xapp | python3-wadllib
python3-xlib <
> python3-zope.interface
qt5-style-plugins:amd64 <
qt5ct <
rarian-compat <
redshift <
redshift-gtk <
rename | remmina
> remmina-common
> remmina-plugin-rdp:amd64
> remmina-plugin-secret:amd64
> remmina-plugin-vnc:amd64
rhythmbox-plugin-tray-icon | rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar
scrollkeeper <
sessioninstaller <
sgml-base <
sgml-data <
> shotwell
> shotwell-common
slick-greeter | snapd
smbclient | software-properties-common
> software-properties-gtk
> sound-icons
> spice-vdagent
ssh-askpass-gnome <
streamer <
synaptic <
syslinux-utils <
system-config-printer-gnome <
system-tools-backends <
systemd-coredump <
tcpd <
> tegaki-zinnia-japanese
> thunderbird-locale-de
> thunderbird-locale-en
> thunderbird-locale-en-gb
> thunderbird-locale-en-us
> thunderbird-locale-es
> thunderbird-locale-es-ar
> thunderbird-locale-es-es
> thunderbird-locale-fr
> thunderbird-locale-it
> thunderbird-locale-pt
> thunderbird-locale-pt-br
> thunderbird-locale-pt-pt
> thunderbird-locale-ru
> thunderbird-locale-zh-cn
> thunderbird-locale-zh-hans
> thunderbird-locale-zh-hant
> thunderbird-locale-zh-tw
timeshift | totem
tomboy | totem-common
> totem-plugins
ubiquity-slideshow-mint | ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
ubuntu-dbgsym-keyring | ubuntu-artwork
> ubuntu-desktop
> ubuntu-docs
ubuntu-system-adjustments | ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
> ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
> ubuntu-report
> ubuntu-session
> ubuntu-settings
> ubuntu-software
> ubuntu-sounds
> ubuntu-standard
> ubuntu-wallpapers
> ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic
> ubuntu-web-launchers
> unattended-upgrades
> update-manager
> update-manager-core
> update-notifier
> update-notifier-common
> usb-creator-common
> usb-creator-gtk
va-driver-all:amd64 <
> vino
> whoopsie
> whoopsie-preferences
wmctrl <
xapps-common <
xawtv-plugins <
> xcursor-themes
xed <
xed-common <
xed-dbg <
xml-core <
xplayer <
xplayer-common <
xplayer-dbg <
xplayer-plugins <
xreader <
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microUgly
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
Thank you, everyone for the insight.
I.e. perhaps I will like Unity better as a user experiance, but if I have to turn off my laptop (rather than suspend it) to keep it from overheating when using Ubuntu, when I would not have to do the same with Mint, then I would choose Mint.
If it helps, forget I said anything about the laptop heat -- I'm curious in general if there are differences beyond the user interface that perhaps should be a factor in choosing one over the other.
So far the suggestion is that I should choose a derative based on the UI I like, whilst also being told that their differences go beyond the user experience. So I assume those other differences are insignificant if they should not factor into the decision making.
Where would you be able to read about these change to the core? Or are they typically too high level that they don't get mentioned much?ie: the core is still an Ubuntu system, but with some extensive changes, made around that core system.
I had read that, but it seemed to me that if focused on the user experience, and didn't really discuss how the two were different at a deeper level.This article may be of help:
https://itsfoss.com/linux-mint-vs-ubuntu/
Thanks for the tip.Mixing and matching rarely leads to good results.
This because I'm looking for the benefits of a Ubuntu dirative beyond the user experience. My example was that Mint on one laptop generates no heat when suspended, whilst Ubuntu on another laptop generates a lot of heat when suspended. Different hardware could obviously explain this difference (although both ultra-books with SSDs), but I wonderered if there was other differences between Mint and Ubuntu (beyond the UI) that might explain this. If so, that may signficantly factor into my choices of OS.Strange combination of questions...
I.e. perhaps I will like Unity better as a user experiance, but if I have to turn off my laptop (rather than suspend it) to keep it from overheating when using Ubuntu, when I would not have to do the same with Mint, then I would choose Mint.
Thank you for clarity on that.It is the difference between Ubuntu "Flavors"(which is only the difference of DE) and Ubuntu "derivative": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
I never assumed it the OS was definitely responsible -- I was merely posing the question if the core of these OSes are different such that it could be the OS. The consencus is definitely that they are different beyond the user experiance, but it's not clear to me exactly how they may be different and what benefits those differences may offer.You've changed two things and are assuming one of them is responsible for the problem. It could very easily be the laptop which is the problem.
If it helps, forget I said anything about the laptop heat -- I'm curious in general if there are differences beyond the user interface that perhaps should be a factor in choosing one over the other.
So far the suggestion is that I should choose a derative based on the UI I like, whilst also being told that their differences go beyond the user experience. So I assume those other differences are insignificant if they should not factor into the decision making.
Thank you, I will definitely have a read of that.Indeed, we had a thread about a similar problem a couple months ago.
My mistake, I thought the DE for Ubuntu was still named Unity.FYI, Ubuntu left Unity behind some time ago and is now using the Gnome desktop.
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Spearmint2
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Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
Ubuntu does have a MATE variant too.
All things go better with Mint. Mint julep, mint jelly, mint gum, candy mints, pillow mints, peppermint, chocolate mints, spearmint,....
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
You may assume whatever you like, but doesn't make it so. gm10 gave you a comprehensive answer. If you're unable to understand it, that's another reason not to pursue this solution. Which never had much to commend it in the first place.
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microUgly
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
I'm not sure what is going on here. I'm posting a question in the Newbie forum and this seems like an unnecesarily hostile response. I am appreciative of all responses.You may assume whatever you like, but doesn't make it so [...] If you're unable to understand it, [...]
Perhaps it is considered bad ettiquette to ask follow up questions at Linux Mint Forums -- in which case I apologise.
Not sure what my safe response here is. gm10 listed the differences in packages installed, but i'm pretty sure it would be the wrong conclusion to say that the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu is the DE and default set of packages.gm10 gave you a comprehensive answer.
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
I think we all focused solely on the topic title, but, as to the reasoning of the topic, it's this(but we all just skipped over this part as it's the default base knowledge of the situation really):
A next equally major item is the kernel. For an example, conversely, given exact hardware, and an equal version Ubuntu and Mint comparison(going with the "DE" angle), BUT a different kernel, it could be as drastic as the laptop "works" on one, and completely does not even boot on the other. Say, it's possible that 4.15.0-43 works and 4.15.0-44 fails. -hell, even take out the DE comparison.
So, right there, we can't make a useful comparison, but really we can't look at DE first(or flavor or derivative in this case of different hardware).
Other things will fall after this, the DE, parts of the subsystem, etc. -any of the details previously mentioned in the posts.
But in getting to the issue, the hardware difference is huge, and the kernel is huge, first. The kernel is addressing the hardware, so that "one" piece has to be up to the task to start with.
If you want to explore it further, then dual boot both of these machines, or just one of them. And then start looking at kernel version and go outward from there. And, yes, you can very likely fiddle around and make a difference.
In a situation like that the first and foremost difference is the hardware. That's potentially every bit of the answer.microUgly wrote: ⤴Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:01 am one immediate difference I have noticed that is when Mint suspends, the laptop generates no heat, whilst the laptop running Ubuntu gets very hot when suspended
It would not surprise me to learn that I can do some fiddling to get Ubuntu to better suspend the laptop, but it has made me wonder if Mint is configured more ideally such that it's differences to Ubuntu is more than just the Desktop Environment.
A next equally major item is the kernel. For an example, conversely, given exact hardware, and an equal version Ubuntu and Mint comparison(going with the "DE" angle), BUT a different kernel, it could be as drastic as the laptop "works" on one, and completely does not even boot on the other. Say, it's possible that 4.15.0-43 works and 4.15.0-44 fails. -hell, even take out the DE comparison.
So, right there, we can't make a useful comparison, but really we can't look at DE first(or flavor or derivative in this case of different hardware).
Other things will fall after this, the DE, parts of the subsystem, etc. -any of the details previously mentioned in the posts.
But in getting to the issue, the hardware difference is huge, and the kernel is huge, first. The kernel is addressing the hardware, so that "one" piece has to be up to the task to start with.
If you want to explore it further, then dual boot both of these machines, or just one of them. And then start looking at kernel version and go outward from there. And, yes, you can very likely fiddle around and make a difference.
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
No, what's bad etiquette is to impute to folks advice they haven't given. No one told you "those other differences are insignificant." And the significance of gm10's post is that there are a lot of them.
Anyhoo, it's your computer, so you may do what you like. Good luck.
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microUgly
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
Thanks for your detailed response zcot.
I regret mentioning my prompt for this questions because I know the differences can simply be different hardware and I should know how easily people will rip apart one aspect of a question, or poor choicing of wording, despite best effort to convey the intention of the question. So I appreciate that you have made the effort to see what I was asking, because I was doing my best to word it ideally -- and I am thankful for all responses, because each has provided some new insight.
So if I were to summarise how a derivatives are different, would this be fair:
I want to stress that I'm not inquiring about this to push peoples buttons. I'm asking because i'm interested, and I'm asking in the Newbie forum because I thought this would be safe place to ask such a question.
I regret mentioning my prompt for this questions because I know the differences can simply be different hardware and I should know how easily people will rip apart one aspect of a question, or poor choicing of wording, despite best effort to convey the intention of the question. So I appreciate that you have made the effort to see what I was asking, because I was doing my best to word it ideally -- and I am thankful for all responses, because each has provided some new insight.
So if I were to summarise how a derivatives are different, would this be fair:
- Different Desktop Environent (typically)
- Different set of default packages (typically)
- Potentially different Kernel version.
I want to stress that I'm not inquiring about this to push peoples buttons. I'm asking because i'm interested, and I'm asking in the Newbie forum because I thought this would be safe place to ask such a question.
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gm10
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
Why would you be sure of that? Packages are what make up a distribution and provide all of its components, there are no other differences other than the nice community that comes with this one.
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microUgly
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
My wavering sureness was based on the response by Pierre:Why would you be sure of that? Packages are what make up a distribution and provide all of its components
So it was not clear to me that the "extensive changes round the core system" is as simple as that Mint comes with different set of default packages than Ubuntu.as the LinuxMint system, has also customised the Ubuntu operating system - as well.
ie: the core is still an Ubuntu system, but with some extensive changes, made around that core system.
If that is the case, then answer to my question is, "Other than the DE, the only other difference between Mint and Ubuntu is the default set of packages that are install." I'm still not sure, and suspect I will be criticised for this conclusion
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gm10
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
I'm not sure you're fully getting my point yet. I would say: The only difference between Mint and Ubuntu is the selection of packages each is made up of.microUgly wrote: ⤴Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:03 am So it was not clear to me that the "extensive changes round the core system" is as simple as that Mint comes with different set of default packages than Ubuntu.
If that is the case, then answer to my question is, "Other than the DE, the only other difference between Mint and Ubuntu is the default set of packages that are install." I'm still not sure, and suspect I will be criticised for this conclusion
Now obviously packages are just distribution containers for the software contained within, so to truly understand the differences between Mint and Ubuntu you'd have to look at what the software provided by each package actually does. And there is nothing simple about that.
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
Out of curiosity, I decided to see what's involved in adding the Ubuntu desktop to Mint. Turns out there's a specific package which serves the purpose. Translating that article's recommended command to Mint apt terms, I ran apt install --install-recommends ubuntu-gnome-desktop in Terminal. Tested in a Cinnamon 19.2 VM (with a snapshot). Interestingly, after logging out, given a choice of Gnome or Ubuntu, three forms of the former and two of the latter. Main difference with the plain Gnome desktop is that it lacks the Ubuntu launcher strip on the left of the screen.
To be clear, I do not recommend this procedure and haven't done anything like the testing required to vouch for it. Indeed, I won't be, as this was a mere curiosity project. Nonetheless, having found the answer to HOW it can be done, I decided to contribute that information to the thread.
To be clear, I do not recommend this procedure and haven't done anything like the testing required to vouch for it. Indeed, I won't be, as this was a mere curiosity project. Nonetheless, having found the answer to HOW it can be done, I decided to contribute that information to the thread.
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microUgly
Re: Is the only difference between Mint and Ubuntu the Desktop Environment?
I see your point, and I think I have a better understand of the layers that contribute to their differences.so to truly understand the differences between Mint and Ubuntu you'd have to look at what the software provided by each package actually does.
My thinking was that if the differences are the packages installed, then you could install/remove specific packages, but what underly that is otherwise the same. But this is an overly simplistic view.
Thanks again for everyones time to help with my understanding.