[SOLVED] In 2020, is it still advisable to NOT install multiple desktop environments?

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[SOLVED] In 2020, is it still advisable to NOT install multiple desktop environments?

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This was an older thread that a moderator suggested I start anew. I'll just list stuff to make it less TL;DR-y.

1. I know that installing multiple DE's has traditionally been wonky. I've encountered this myself in the past.
2. #1 is often attributed to the sometimes-unnecessarily "deeply installed" parts of the DE. Much of the time it is hard or impossible for the DE designer to avoid.
3. To what extent is this still the case in 2020?

PS. Please don't confuse this with multiple boots. Also, most already know about multiple VM's being a "solution".

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Re: In 2020, is it still advisable to NOT install multiple desktop environments?

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tgm1024 wrote: 1. I know that installing multiple DE's has traditionally been wonky. I've encountered this myself in the past.
2. #1 is often attributed to the sometimes-unnecessarily "deeply installed" parts of the DE. Much of the time it is hard or impossible for the DE designer to avoid.
3. To what extent is this still the case in 2020?
I'm sure you'll get differing opinions on this, but speaking for myself, I won't ever be doing so on any of my deployments. I've seen too many issues, and I don't think it's reasonable to assume any desktop's dev team to have the foresight to design their product to seamlessly integrate with every other desktop.

That said, I'm sure there are success stories out there as well, so if you do decide to give it a try, I would definitely recommend having a fallback plan.

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In general it's still a iffy thing in 2020. There are always some interaction between too installed desktops. Not to mention duplicate programs/package installed. If you are serious about finding which DE suits you best play with the live sessions for awhile or install Virtual box and install the other DE there.
Once you determine which once suits your needs install that one. MHO.
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Re: In 2020, is it still advisable to NOT install multiple desktop environments?

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JoeFootball wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:12 pm
tgm1024 wrote: 1. I know that installing multiple DE's has traditionally been wonky. I've encountered this myself in the past.
2. #1 is often attributed to the sometimes-unnecessarily "deeply installed" parts of the DE. Much of the time it is hard or impossible for the DE designer to avoid.
3. To what extent is this still the case in 2020?
I'm sure you'll get differing opinions on this, but speaking for myself, I won't ever be doing so on any of my deployments. I've seen too many issues, and I don't think it's reasonable to assume any desktop's dev team to have the foresight to design their product to seamlessly integrate with every other desktop.

That said, I'm sure there are success stories out there as well, so if you do decide to give it a try, I would definitely recommend having a fallback plan.

EDIT: How to Install and Use Another Desktop Environment on Linux
Yeah, there's no way that I'm not going to back up everything before attempting this again.
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Re: In 2020, is it still advisable to NOT install multiple desktop environments?

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JoeFootball wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:12 pm
and I don't think it's reasonable to assume any desktop's dev team to have the foresight to design their product to seamlessly integrate with every other desktop.
Perhaps, but it's also not unreasonable to wonder if there popped up a facility in the last few years to keep all the DE's one layer abstracted from the lower level apps that DE developers are now following. Specifically to prevent swordfighting between them and accidentally clobbering things.

The seeming success of one DE per login for instance seems to indicate that there's quite a bit already local only to /home/red-shirt. And of course even gamers are aware of such functional partitioning with MinecraftForge. Whatever.

Bottom line though sounds as if there's just not enough protection to "count on".

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..........how do I mark a post as the answer? Or is it thread/only with renaming the subject to [solved] (or similar)?
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The only time I've never had a problem with that is by installing Debian with the net install iso and choosing all the different DE's at install. I did that for my old laptop and so far so good.

xenopeeks advise is also one to follow. you won't have any problems with that.

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Hi, folks.

In a far away past I installed Mint 16 Cinnamon and added xfce to it [1] and had no problems resulting from this double DE setup. :)
When Mint 17 was released, I did a fresh installation of Mint 17 Cinnamon and added xfce to it and had no problems resulting from this double DE setup.
And I did use both under my own user account. :)
Mint 17 Cinnamon + xfce got in-place upgraded to Mint 17.1 Cinnamon + xfce through Mint Update Manager. Neither UM, nor me had any problems, because 2 DE's were present on the system. :D
This Mint 17.1 Cinnamon + xfce survived till Sept. 2018 without causing any problems, just because Cinnamon and xfce were present on the system and used.
This double DE system even survived the in-place upgrade from Mint 17.1 to 19. [2] :shock:

About potentially double application entries in the application menu:
This was still an issue on Mint 16, because quite a few DE specific .desktop files (menu launchers) were still missing entries like "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;".
On later Mint releases, the number of such DE specific .desktop files, where the "OnlyShowIN=" parameter was missing, seems to have dropped drastically.

I guess I must have committed some serious mistakes, because my Mint Cinnamon +xfce has never given me any headache, although I used both DE's interchangeably. :?

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I've always had multiple desktop environment's installed, never had a problem. YMMV.
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tgm1024 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:55 pm
Or is it thread/only with renaming the subject to [solved] (or similar)?
Much like that, yes. Adding [SOLVED] to the subject of the first post is how we do it here. Sorry, there's nothing automatic.
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If it strikes my fancy at any given moment I won't hesitate to install a second or third desktop environment. Even if it becomes a disaster, a fresh install is only twenty minutes away. Distro hopping is a casual hobby for me, so messing with the system is just part of the fun. Sometimes more fun than a video game. I always have an alternate openbox session installed along with the mainstream DE. Most often XFCE plus openbox. Also have no problem when running apps of different bases on the same system, QT and GTK play well together in my case. Hope I didn't jinx myself by saying that.
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In my opinion, multiple desktop environments do not add anything to your computing experience. While it's not impossible to move from one to another, it's rather pointless and time consuming. They each, also, drag in a lot of related files/libraries/configs that take space, and depending on how you switch among DEs, can leave active but unused processes in the mix.

Again, in my opinion, the calendar doesn't matter, it's just not worth it at any time.
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