Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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Hi
Old technology but I have some mini dv tapes I would like to save in hard drive.
Cannot seem to find any current information on this.
I have 2 old camcorders - SONY Handycam's which have DV Out ( with i symbol). They play tapes fine.
I installed linuxmint-19.3-xfce-64bit on an old 2011 HP Proliant Micorserver I still had. It runs fine with the Linux Mint.

I got a PCIe 1394A Firewire Expansion Card 3 Ports, PCI Express (1X) to External IEEE 1394 Adapter Controller (2 x 6 Pin + 1 x 4 Pin) for Desktop PC and DV Connection. Connected it to the Handycam via correct supplied cable. Could not see it in Linux until I installed hardinfo and it shows it under:
-PCI Devices- FireWire (IEEE 1394) : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller (rev 46) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])

This is where I get stuck - I installed Shotcut and VLC but neither can see my Handycam's - even if a tape is playing.

Do I need to install some firewire IEEE 1394 software or drives?
Should I use a different program to import/download/save the DV video tape?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Theo

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Re: Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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All positive posts in the Internet are out of date and new posts do not look promising. Anyway, everything about Firewire and DV-cams relates to dvgrab and applications that use dvgrab.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FireWire/dvgrab

:arrow: FireWire/dvgrab (last edited 2012-09-24 13:58:04 by dooitze)...

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Re: Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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Thank you. I have downloaded dvgrab and will try it out. Let you know if I am successful.

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So far dvgrab just says
Error: no camera exists
Will give up for tonight and try tomorrow

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This is a guide for Kdenlive Video Editor from 2016. Maybe it can be used in the current version.
Good luck.

https://www.linuxbabe.com/video-editor/ ... untu-16-04
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Re: Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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Thanks - a good article and kdenlive looks like a good video editor and is working.
Still have the same basic problem - it cannot see the video player either.
So might try pulling the card out and reinstalling it, and reconnecting both video players.
Any other suggestions to help see the video player are welcome.

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Kino to import the tapes via firewire from the camera. Been using it for 15 years and it works great. No longer maintained but no issues on my Ryzen 3700x Mint 19.3 desktop.

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Re: Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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Thanks mate.

Installed Kino and also another good looking video editor with an even clearer drop down menu to choose your camcorder.
However it also does not recognise any camera!!!

Maybe linux does not support firewire at all anymore!

On older web pages I have found two commands to run - not sure what they do except list the firewire card and something about OHCI

~$ lspci -nn | grep 1394
03:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller [1106:3044] (rev 46)

ls -l /dev/fw*
crw------- 1 root root 242, 0 Feb 15 16:44 /dev/fw0

So do not know what to do from here as I have placed the firewire card in both slots of the motherboard - its recognised in both places. But nothing seems to show there is either of the two Sony handycam's attached to the firewire card! With them running a tape or not!

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Re: Firewire and import mini dv tapes

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It is odd the system can see the 1394 card, fw0 device was created but Kino does not see the camera. Confirm the camera is in playback mode and you are on the capture screen in Kino (launches on edit screen). Possible the 1394 chipset although recognized is not supported or does not support the needed mode.

The output from mine is roughly the same.

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Ryzen7 ~ $  lspci -nn | grep 1394
25:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Texas Instruments XIO2213A/B/XIO2221 IEEE-1394b OHCI Controller [Cheetah Express] [104c:823f] (rev 01)
As you can see the camera is recognized by Kino. I have full control of the camera as well through the program (play,stop,capture,rw,ff) I have never installed any additional firmware or drivers for 1394. One of the things I have always enjoyed about firewire is the simplicity of function. This along with true and constant throughput unlike USB.

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Easiest thing I can suggest is try another firewire card.
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