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Too many updates

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I've been a Linux Minter for several years, but never had so many updates before, many with kernels. On a previous distro, there was a setting with an update option 'don't break Linux' ie no extreme updates. Has this distro got this feature? If not, can anyone remember what distro had it?

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Re: Too many updates

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Until recently (19.1 or 19.2) there was a number system and you could choose which 'grading' of update to have.
On the whole, why wouldn't you want a secure updated system?
You can't expect anything to be secure that isn't updated regularly, can you?

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Re: Too many updates

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As gittiest said. You're supposed to use Timeshift now for protection against bad apples amongst the updates.

However:
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Re: Too many updates

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What's your objection to updates? Even kernel updates take no more than three minutes to install, others less than a minute.
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Re: Too many updates

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cliffcoggin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:59 pm
What's your objection to updates? Even kernel updates take no more than three minutes to install, others less than a minute.
+1
I see updated packages as operational and security improvements.
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Re: Too many updates

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Automatic updates can be a pain when they crash your system in the middle of a project, as happened back in 19.1 or so (before Timeshift). I leave updates for manual application at the end of the day after manual Timeshift and Backintime snapshots.

There are also kernel updates that wipe out your Wifi device when you reboot in the morning. Try remembering how to restore before your espresso machine is hot enough to produce a decent chemical mix. :x

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Re: Too many updates

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cliffcoggin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:59 pm
What's your objection to updates?


I can only speak for myself but the new 5.X kernels have a known issue that freeze the computer and I am using kernel 4.15 and this forces me to go into grub each time I boot and select the kernel I want to use which is a royal PITA.
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=311687
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=316410
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=317372
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=319798

For a lively discussion on whether one should always update you can read viewtopic.php?f=90&t=319115

In summary, contrary to the "always update to the latest" opinion, there are plenty of good reasons why someone might prefer to not update.
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Re: Too many updates

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GS3 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:17 am
I am using kernel 4.15 and this forces me to go into grub each time I boot and select the kernel I want to use which is a royal PITA.
Then uninstall the kernel that doesn't work for you.
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Re: Too many updates

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Moem wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:29 am
Then uninstall the kernel that doesn't work for you.
I know I could always download it again in the future but my Internet connection is not so good and I would rather just keep the newer kernel just in case one day I want to use it for testing or whatever.

In any case the question I was answering is why would someone not want to update to the latest and greatest and I was just pointing out there are plenty of valid reasons for not updating.
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Re: Too many updates

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I don't see a problem. At no time has any update screwed my system and I DO NOT use Time Shift or any other OS backup strategy. IF ever an update screws my install, I am happy enough to re-install Linux.

To qualify the above: My DATA is backed up, so I shall lose nothing if I have to re-format and re-load!
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Re: Too many updates

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the LM19x series does seem to have significantly more updates, than either LM17 // LM18x ever did.
and no doubt, the up & coming LM20 series will also have the same level of updating, as well.

in any case, you would have to be somewhat unlucky to actually have something break,
but, since most of the hardware is recycled from the Windows System, and that is often highly customised system,
then running any Linux System, on that same hardware, could cause some issue, that would need to be overcome.
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Re: Too many updates

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GS3 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:17 am
cliffcoggin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:59 pm
What's your objection to updates?


I can only speak for myself but the new 5.X kernels
Fair enough, but the OP has not explained whether that is his problem or he just has an inherent dislike of updates. Until he does we are speculating.
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Re: Too many updates

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My DATA is backed up
Backintime style home backups do not cover the installation of a the latest version of software, something I often need. Those backups do nt cover the installation and configuration of Nginx and many other applications that cross over into the system area. There is no "one style fits all" backup/restore.

Minimising updates during working hours is a good approach. I could list dozens of examples where someone is travelling and tries to communicate back at the motel or airport but an update kills their system then they call me for help.

I do not question the OP choosing to not automatically install updates. Instead I would point out how fragile Linux became with systemd, how slow Linux Mint is at adding new network drivers, and how frequently the Ubuntu/LM combination kills device drivers that used to work. LM is way better than the alternatives but is a step backward in that area.

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Re: Too many updates

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GS3 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:17 am
cliffcoggin wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 5:59 pm
What's your objection to updates?


I can only speak for myself but the new 5.X kernels have a known issue that freeze the computer and I am using kernel 4.15 and this forces me to go into grub each time I boot and select the kernel I want to use which is a royal PITA.
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=311687
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=316410
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=317372
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=319798

For a lively discussion on whether one should always update you can read viewtopic.php?f=90&t=319115

In summary, contrary to the "always update to the latest" opinion, there are plenty of good reasons why someone might prefer to not update.
kernel updates are probably the ONLY thing that should not be always updated/upgraded to the latest and greatest, where as everything else is all right to update. if you're using a LTS version of mint, why would you want to update to some kernel that's only supported for 6 months anyway?

@op: don't see what the issue is with updating mint. try doing as many updates as mint has on a windows computer. might as well schedule 1 day for just updating that os!

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Re: Too many updates

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I have to agree with the OP. Updates for very obscure security risks are really a pain when they repeat 3 times in 2 days because of regressions. I do most updates, but I don't routinely do kernel updates. Occasionally I will do a kernel update IF I've read the ubuntu security notice, and found the vulnerability to be relevant. My personal (i.e. not a recommendation) choice is to NOT update kernels, libreoffice, and a few other things that once I've got a version that works well for what I do, I'm not anxious to change it--newer isn't necessarily better. I should point out that I always have a current boot partition image for backup. (clonezilla). Just my 2 cents!

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Re: Too many updates

Post by GS3 »

So we are being pushed a new kernel (5.3.0.53.110).

This style of issuing a new kernel every Tuesday and every Thursday is getting old pretty fast.

Or is it a way of making us feel more like we are using MS Windows?
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Re: Too many updates

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if you install additional repositories or ppa you may get constant updates ...
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Re: Too many updates

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<Minor correction>
GS3 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:35 am
So we are being pushed a new kernel (5.3.0.53.110).
This statement is not really correct.
All those, who have already installed kernel 5.3.0.53-109 without issues, only get the following (corrected) meta packages:

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linux-generic-hwe-18.04 (5.3.0.53.109) to 5.3.0.53.110
linux-headers-generic-hwe-18.04 (5.3.0.53.109) to 5.3.0.53.110
linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 (5.3.0.53.109) to 5.3.0.53.110
Reason for the updated meta packages (to be learned from the changelog):
An incorrect dependency had been specified in the meta packages version 5.3.0.53.109. This error only affected those users, who used a specific virtualization package.
If your system does not use the corresponding package, then kernel 5.3.0-53.109 had installed without problems, inspite of the incorrect dependency, and your system only installs the corrected meta packages, nothing else.
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