Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Hi all,
Could I please get some more noob help?

I have previously installed a Crucial MX500 250GB SSD I want to keep that as my boot drive. (sda)
I now have a 860EVO 1TB SSD that I want to use as storage etc

I seem to recall having problems with the MX500 but i can't remember what it was, was it GPR? something like that?

I see that i can't use the samsung software on Linux.
So I thought I could just format it.
I did that and it is sat under 'Devices'. So that looks like it thinks it is an external storage? media/username/SSD name
It also says 'Lost and Found ' under it. I didn't call it lost and found. Plus it has a cross and a locked padlock.
It shows up in gparted as sdb.

I seem to be able to copy files to it, but that doesn't seem right.
How do I set this up correctly please?

Thanks.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Grarea wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:42 am
...
So I thought I could just format it.
I did that and it is sat under 'Devices'. So that looks like it thinks it is an external storage? media/username/SSD name
It also says 'Lost and Found ' under it. I didn't call it lost and found. Plus it has a cross and a locked padlock.
It shows up in gparted as sdb.

I seem to be able to copy files to it, but that doesn't seem right.
How do I set this up correctly please?

Thanks.
The lost+found will contain any recoverable orphaned file detected by fsck. Normally, the lost+found directory is empty.

Can you be specific about "that doesn't seem right."
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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I have never had two drives on Linux before.
I don't know what it looks like.

I am thinking most people have two internal drives. One for files and one for boot.
Is that how it is normally set up?

Is it normal to have the main internal file storage device being under 'devices' and have to mount it each time?
Or is there a better way.

"The lost+found will contained any recoverable orphaned file detected by fsck. " sorry, I don't know what that means.
So I haven't seen lost and found before. That is normal to have that is it?

If I want to use my new one as the 'main' storage, ..... is it best to have it as removable device?

I don't really know what to ask.

How do people set it up normally?
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Grarea wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:20 pm
...

"The lost+found will contained any recoverable orphaned file detected by fsck. " sorry, I don't know what that means.
So I haven't seen lost and found before. That is normal to have that is it?

If I want to use my new one as the 'main' storage, ..... is it best to have it as removable device?


I don't really know what to ask.

How do people set it up normally?
The lost+found directory should exist in your ext4 file systems. The ext4 file system is the standard Linux file system.

I do not like a make assumptions when replying in a forum. Can you explain what 'main' storage means to you.

As far as the other questions, it depends on your context. Are you using a desktop? Are you using a laptop? Why would you need your personal data on an external device? Will you need to share the data with another computer requiring a temporary external device? State your case and be very specific.

My computer context is as follows. On a daily basis, I use a laptop keeping my "online" data on the internal storage device. On the other hand, I keep much more data on a "near online" external USB storage device. The "near online" storage contains seldom access data, and the "online" storage contains any active project and data with regular access or modification. When my "online" data ages, it is migrated to my "near online" storage device. Again, your computing context might be totally different.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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well I'll make some assumptions, you have installed a second drive into your computer, and want it to appear in the general file system.
Is this correct?
If so The first step is to make a permanent mount point somewhere, I make it in /mnt, here's an example on this computer
/mnt/stuff]
to do this I open a terminal and type,

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mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/data
[sudo] password for mike:          
mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ 
And then I get this
when looking at the file system.
/mnt/data
The second step is mount your data partition there.
The command blkid will show the computers name for your partition
like this

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mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ blkid
/dev/sda1: LABEL="SYSTEM_DRV" UUID="C8EAC33FEAC32890" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="6e43788a-01"
/dev/sda2: LABEL="Windows7_OS" UUID="5064C55364C53C8A" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="6e43788a-02"
/dev/sda4: LABEL="stuff" UUID="545461FB19A50212" TYPE="ntfs" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="6e43788a-04"
/dev/sda5: UUID="3654fe50-5f67-44b0-8855-a356040abe19" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="6e43788a-05"
mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ 

So yours is probably
/dev/sdab1
If so you then need to edit the /etc/fstab file

Here's my fstab file.
UUID=3654fe50-5f67-44b0-8855-a356040abe19 / ext4 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
/swapfile none swap sw 0 0
UUID=5064C55364C53C8A /mnt/windows ntfs noatime,defaults 0 0
/dev/sda4 /mnt/stuff ntfs noatime,defaults 0 0
to edit this you need admin privileges
to do this I would do

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mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ xed admin:// /etc/fstab
That will work if you are using the mate desktop, if you are using something else you'll need to substitute your text editor for "xed"

So there's two ways to do this, you can use /dev/sda1 (if that's your data partition) or the UUID number. It's best to use the UUID as it doesn't change as you modify partitions.
As I've done with my /mnt/windows partion, but of course use your own UUID number.
Just add that to the bottom of the fstab file, and you should then have the data partition mounted permanently, you'll just need to make a link to it on your desktop, for easy use.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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To see what's in lost+found

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mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ sudo ls /lost+found
mike@mike-ThinkPad:~$ 
In my case it's empty, so nothing is shown. If you want to see it in your file browser you have to tick "show hidden files" in your file browser. But you need admin privilege to open it, so the above command is easiest.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Thank you for taking the time to help, I appreciate it.
deck_luck wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:19 pm


The lost+found directory should exist in your ext4 file systems. The ext4 file system is the standard Linux file system.
Ok, thanks. Good to know all is well.
deck_luck wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:19 pm
I do not like a make assumptions when replying in a forum. Can you explain what 'main' storage means to you.
Fair enough.
Like I say, a smaller ssd for os and software. The larger one I want for storage of files/docs/music/photos.
deck_luck wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:19 pm
As far as the other questions, it depends on your context. Are you using a desktop? Are you using a laptop? Why would you need your personal data on an external device? Will you need to share the data with another computer requiring a temporary external device? State your case and be very specific.
It is a desktop.
I don't want it on an external device. This is an internal device.
Perhaps my comment was ambiguous. What I mean to say is that it currently shows as 'device'. I need to mount it each time to use it.
That surprises me. That seemms like it is thinking that it is an external device wheras I think of it as an internal.
If that is how it has to be, so be it. I am just a bit surprised.
Hence asking what is the norm.
I don't need to share with another computer.
The only other thing i will be doing is backup, but that is another thought process.
deck_luck wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:19 pm
My computer context is as follows. On a daily basis, I use a laptop keeping my "online" data on the internal storage device. On the other hand, I keep much more data on a "near online" external USB storage device. The "near online" storage contains seldom access data, and the "online" storage contains any active project and data with regular access or modification. When my "online" data ages, it is migrated to my "near online" storage device. Again, your computing context might be totally different.
Thank you for that.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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decrepit wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:32 pm
well I'll make some assumptions, you have installed a second drive into your computer, and want it to appear in the general file system.
Is this correct?
Ah, those sound like the correct words.
Yes, I think so.
"permanent mount point"
So, this now thinks of it as an internal drive, right?

Thanks for your detailed response, much appreciated.
I shall do this.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Yes every time you boot up, you're new drive will be part of the file system, if you make a link to the desktop, you'll always have an icon there, you can call it anything you like.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Thank you for this.
It is in /mnt now.

Mine def seems a bit more messy than yours :)

I have been putting drives in and out.
Does it remember ones I have taken out?
eg, I don't have my windoes drive plugged in.

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$ blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="AFD2-930D" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI System Partition" PARTUUID="1a9c43c7-1980-479e-8026-e151f53a1805"
/dev/sda2: UUID="79aeb40c-12a4-4eb7-8b6d-7f6e4eafe660" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="08ba9f9b-815a-45d9-872f-d46605214373"
/dev/sdb: LABEL="1TB SSD" UUID="8a2e7ec6-dcff-4a99-bdd3-555638d1833e" TYPE="ext4"
graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ /dev/sda1: LABEL="SYSTEM_DRV" UUID="C8EAC33FEAC32890" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="6e43788a-01"
bash: /dev/sda1:: No such file or directory
graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ /dev/sda2: LABEL="Windows7_OS" UUID="5064C55364C53C8A" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="6e43788a-02"
bash: /dev/sda2:: No such file or directory
graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ /dev/sda4: LABEL="stuff" UUID="545461FB19A50212" TYPE="ntfs" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="6e43788a-04"
bash: /dev/sda4:: No such file or directory
graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ /dev/sda5: UUID="3654fe50-5f67-44b0-8855-a356040abe19" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="6e43788a-05"
bash: /dev/sda5:: No such file or directory
graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="AFD2-930D" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI System Partition" PARTUUID="1a9c43c7-1980-479e-8026-e151f53a1805"
/dev/sda2: UUID="79aeb40c-12a4-4eb7-8b6d-7f6e4eafe660" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="08ba9f9b-815a-45d9-872f-d46605214373"
/dev/sdb: LABEL="1TB SSD" UUID="8a2e7ec6-dcff-4a99-bdd3-555638d1833e" TYPE="ext4"
Although that is much clearer having put it in there.

Phew, I have XED :) I am using cinamon
It told me off saying that admin: / / was a file.
I have got a bit lost then.
My drive is sdb.

Doesn't show sdb on fstab:
UUID=79aeb40c-12a4-4eb7-8b6d-7f6e4eafe660 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
# /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=AFD2-930D /boot/efi vfat umask=0077 0 1
/swapfile none swap sw 0 0
I have my UUID number from blkid though.
So I just add

UUID=8a2e7ec6-dcff-4a99-bdd3-555638d1833e

at the bottom of the fstab in XED right?
Then what do I do please?

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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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EDIT, I've just had a nasty thought, regarding my advice below. if fstab is wrong the computer won't boot. you have to boot from your live cd/usb and repair it. If you don't have your installation media, or unsure about repairing fstab with it don't go ahead with this. We need advice from somebody more knowledgeable.

Yes yours is very messy, and I'm not cluey enough to have any idea what's going on there.

I'm not sure about this, sdb is formatted in ext4 as it should be but sdb1 isn't shown.
But we can do no harm by going along the path I described earlier, but it may not work, we'll see.

So do this.

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$ xed admin:// /etc/fstab
then add.

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UUID="8a2e7ec6-dcff-4a99-bdd3-555638d1833e" /mnt/(whatever you've called the directory) ext4  noatime,defaults 0 0
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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best to copy and paste the code, looks like you've put a space between admin and //
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I'm not sure about this, but if the above doesn't work, you may need to create a partition on the drive so that blkid shows sdb1.
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For anyone following this, a 250 GB SSD mixed with a 1 TB SSD could be a difficult spread of data.

LM 20 uses about 20 GB for files plus about 20 GB for work space. Placing /boot and / on the smaller SSD then your /home directory on the big SSD is a common configuration but wastes 200 GB on the small SSD.

The next step up in efficiency is to place /boot, /, and /home on the small SSD then a big directory on the big SSD. For me the biggest directory is /home/me/Pictures. My desktop started with /boot, and / on a 60 GB SSD then /home on 2 TB of rotating rings of rust.

Later, when my files expanded and SSD dropped in price, I moved /home to a 1 TB SSD and split off /home/me/Pictures to a magnetic monster.

You can look at your disk usage using Menu -> Administration -> Disk usage Analyser.
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decrepit wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:23 pm
best to copy and paste the code, looks like you've put a space between admin and //
Sorry, I did, but didn't type it back in here accurately.

I got this in xed:
admin:/// is a directory.
Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
In one tab, but fstab also seems to come up anyway in another tab.

I get this in terminal

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graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ xed admin:// /etc/fstab

** (xed:12914): WARNING **: 10:58:31.935: The specified location is not mounted

(xed:12914): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 11:01:22.525: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed

(xed:12914): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 11:01:22.545: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed

(xed:12914): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 11:01:22.573: gtk_notebook_get_tab_label: assertion 'list != NULL' failed
graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ xed admin:// /etc/fstab

** (xed:13050): WARNING **: 11:01:28.275: The specified location is not mounted
But it is.
Have I done something wrong?
I have no idea what I am doing, sorry.
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Petermint wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:43 pm
For anyone following this, a 250 GB SSD mixed with a 1 TB SSD could be a difficult spread of data.

LM 20 uses about 20 GB for files plus about 20 GB for work space. Placing /boot and / on the smaller SSD then your /home directory on the big SSD is a common configuration but wastes 200 GB on the small SSD.

The next step up in efficiency is to place /boot, /, and /home on the small SSD then a big directory on the big SSD. For me the biggest directory is /home/me/Pictures. My desktop started with /boot, and / on a 60 GB SSD then /home on 2 TB of rotating rings of rust.

Later, when my files expanded and SSD dropped in price, I moved /home to a 1 TB SSD and split off /home/me/Pictures to a magnetic monster.

You can look at your disk usage using Menu -> Administration -> Disk usage Analyser.
I agree it is somewhat inefficient.
I am also pondering how to set this up.
It is more a case of that's what I have. I have stuck my windows 7 on an old second hand 120GB SSD.
It will be nice to have just docs/pics/music on one drive. (just keeps it clean in my mind and for back ups.)
I assume I can add those to 'Places' or something.

I will be using HDDs as backups.

You know when you had two drives.
Did you do what I a attempting to do?
Or something different?
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Woops looks like my fault, I get the same thing. I'll try and find the right command and get back.
OK sorry, my laptop has the command wrong. this PC has it correct.
This should work, (it does for me anyhow), you have to enter your password twice, then xed should pop up with the contents of fstab for you to edit

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xed admin:///etc/default/grub
So no spaces anywhere.

Well that's interesting, even though it works you still get this warning.
decrep@PCSSD:~$ xed admin:///etc/fstab

** (xed:7170): WARNING **: 18:57:23.584: The specified location is not mounted
decrep@PCSSD:~$
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That command seemed to work better.
Thank you for persisting for me.


I get grub.
# If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
# /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
# For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
# info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

# Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs
# This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains
# the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...)
#GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef"

# Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
#GRUB_TERMINAL=console

# The resolution used on graphical terminal
# note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'
#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480

# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true

# Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries
#GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"

# Uncomment to get a beep at grub start
#GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1"
I am afraid I still don't know what to do next.

I still get the warning that it is not mounted.
I just thought. I have called it
1TB SSD
In mnt it just shows as
1TB

Should I have gone with a name without spaces? Might that be mucking things up?
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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Oh, now I am just making a mess. I thought i would try and save you reexplaining it.

I thought I would change its name to 'Files' in case the gap in the name was wrong.
so I have mnt/files.
But I also have mnt/1TB

I changed its name by going to 'disks'. (I looked it up.)
Doesn't look like it changed it properly.

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graham@G-LinuxPC:~$ blkid
/dev/sda1: UUID="AFD2-930D" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI System Partition" PARTUUID="1a9c43c7-1980-479e-8026-e151f53a1805"
/dev/sda2: UUID="79aeb40c-12a4-4eb7-8b6d-7f6e4eafe660" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="08ba9f9b-815a-45d9-872f-d46605214373"
/dev/sdb: LABEL="1TB SSD" UUID="8a2e7ec6-dcff-4a99-bdd3-555638d1833e" TYPE="ext4"
/dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/loop1: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/loop2: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/loop3: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/loop4: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/loop5: TYPE="squashfs"
It looks like it is still
1TB SSD
I will stop doing things.
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Re: Installing and formatting a new 860 EVO SSD

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So why are you playing with grub? You only play with grub if you want to change the way the system boots.

Yes, spaces do not work in linux.

If you have an unwanted entry in /mnt, just remove the one you don't want.
like this.

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decrep@PCSSD:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/extra
[sudo] password for decrep:          
decrep@PCSSD:~$ sudo rmdir /mnt/extra
decrep@PCSSD:~$ 
so "mkdir" creates a directory, "rmdir" deletes it. if you look at /mnt in your file browser you'll see, "extra" appear and disappear, as you run these two commands.

Don't worry about the, "not mounted" warning, I think it's a bug, that's still being resolved

I don't think the name you see in disks, is relevant, but the name of the directory you've made in /mnt has to match exactly the name you give in /etc/fstab
Last edited by decrepit on Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:32 am, edited 4 times in total.
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