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Does Windows Update Cause Problems?

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:06 pm
by Daboo
I recently installed Ubuntu, then installed the KDE desktop so I guess it became Kubuntu? Things seemed to work great for about a week or so, then I needed to boot into the WinXP partition on the same hard drive. Windows did an update of its files and Norton updated the virus software. All ran fine till I rebooted the next day and wanted to start Kubuntu. I got dumped to a terminal window after the splash screen began coming up and could not get the GUI interface to come up automatically from that point on unless I used the recovery mode and asked for a one-time boot into a low graphics mode.

I've deleted the partition already, so my intent of this post is not to try troubleshooting the problem.

What I'm wondering about is -- do you think the Windows Update process while I was in WinXP is writing to the MBR and messing up the boot process going into Linux?

Thanks in advance!

Chris

Re: Does Windows Update Cause Problems?

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:57 pm
by tdockery97
Very possible. You would have needed to reinstall grub.

Re: Does Windows Update Cause Problems?

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:09 pm
by pompom
Welcome to Linux Mint!

You did not elaborate if you are on a Dell Studio 15 or 17 system. There is a Dell hell program called Dell Data Safe Backup which manages your MBR and creates havoc, where you cannot boot Windows 7 or Linux any more. You also won't be notified when there is an important update to these programs. The trick is to wipe entirely the hidden recovery partition. You won't be able to use the Windows Recovery CD from Dell to install Windows anymore. Instead use a clean Windows install CD. However, you still can use the Recovery CD to fix the MBR.

Cheers,

pompom

Re: Does Windows Update Cause Problems?

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:11 pm
by Sleven
Daboo,

I have 3 hdds with Windows XP in the first partition of the first hdd (sda) and 7 other operating systems across the 3 hdds, 3 Linux OS next to WinXP on sda, 2 Linux OSs on sdb, and 2 BSD OSs on sdc. I no longer use XP for any daily operation but every few weeks boot into XP and let it install all the updates. I let the Linux install configure the bootloader and I have never experienced any problems after an XP update.

It may have something to do with Norton, I use Microsoft Essentials for security and had no virus or malware issues at all, compared to using McAfee or AVG. I have switched several clients machines from what ever security programs they use to MS Essential over the past year and they all seem happy with the switch. I'm not trying to sell you on the idea of MS Essentials, but if Norton is changing your MBR then I would dump Norton like a hot potato.

A note on easyBCD, once you have the hang of using it, it is a wonderful program. If you have never used it I would suggest finding a good tutorial before making any changes to your MBR with easyBCD.

Hope this helps.

Re: Does Windows Update Cause Problems?

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:26 pm
by Daboo
Thanks for the responses! :)

I got a kick out of that comment regarding if it was a "Dell Studio 15 or 17 system". :lol: I'm guessing this is not as nice as those. It is a simple Gateway 503GR desktop bought just when the P4-3.0 GHz systems with hyperthreading were coming out. Hot machine at the time (no longer obviously), but it still does what I need it to do.

The Linux Mint install went fine. I'll have to see how this performs over time. FWIW, I see very few reasons to go into WinXP in the future. If this is stable, I'll go straight Linux Mint...which would certainly eliminate any potential for the Windows program updates to cause a problem.

Again, thanks for your help. It'll be awhile before I can understand this OS as well as I do DOS and Windows, but someday perhaps I can contribute too.

Chris

Re: Does Windows Update Cause Problems?

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:42 am
by Sleven
I was wondering about the Dell remark myself, it seemed to come out of left field, then I saw your thread right below a thread about a problem with a Dell and think pompom may have read the other topic line but clicked on your thread by mistake and then didn't notice they were not in the correct thread, <shrugs>

Pompom, why did you think Daboo had a Dell?