Updating existing LMDE 1 Systems to LMDE 2

[killer de bug]

What is the advantage of LMDE over normal LinuxMint if I have to reinstall from scratch LMDE 2 over LMDE 1 and next time LMDE 3 over LMDE 2 ?

Who said this? Where is it written?

[axisofevil]

My understanding is that LMDE1 was never truly rolling - but upgrade packs were periodically issued.
Furthermore, LMDE2 will be based on Debian Stable - but with a "rolling" addition of Mint based upgrades.
LMDE2 will be available as an upgrade to LMDE1 - at some point in the future.
Given that the majority of LMDE2 users will presently be using LMDE1, this upgrade is overdue.

If it is not possible to come up with a reliable upgrade to LMDE1 (in a reasonable time frame), then given definite information
I would be happy(!!!) to do a simple - but very tedious replace install of LMDE2.
My understanding may (of course) be wrong.

[killer de bug]

My understanding is that LMDE1 was never truly rolling - but upgrade packs were periodically issued.

It has been truly rolling at the beginning of its life.

[itsme4401]

Axisofevil wrote (2 posts up )

Given that the majority of LMDE2 users will presently be using LMDE1, this upgrade is overdue.

Hear! hear!

[axisofevil]

In a VM, I carried out what I thought was an upgrade (on LMDE1) - which eventually claimed to work.
However, there were many, many errors and warnings and it eventually finished after I restarted it a number of times.
To do this changed the list of repositories to

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com betsy main upstream import
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
deb http://extra.linuxmint.com betsy main

upgraded twice using apt-get, three times using mint-upgrade

It eventually loaded, after it auto deleted some wanted packages - and cinnamon had a plain grey "theme".
e.g. Terminal windows are white instead of black.

More to the point, it deleted my crontab, rewrote /etc/fstab, wiped my custom entries in /etc/hosts
The time taken on a fast PC with fast-ish internet (60Mb/sec) of 2+ hours indicates that a Mint wipe & replace is looking to be a better bet.
At least this would wipe any accumulated crud.

I can start by deleting that VM...

[killer de bug]

I need to report a new issue on my side:

When I plug an head set (using the jack port) the system doesn't switch automatically. If I switch the sound to the head set, unplugging it doesn't restore sound in the speakers...

Found the root cause

I had an old /.pulse/default.pa config file. It was created before systemd and therefore it was not working correctly. I replaced it with a new one (cp /etc/pulse/default.pa) added my tweak for startup sound and it's working fine again.

[Monsta]

Finally found some time to test the upgrade myself. I've tested the upgrade of LMDE 201403 Cinnamon installation in VirtualBox. This is almost vanilla installation - only Nemo extensions and a few small tools (like gtkorphan) added.

1. Made the necessary changes and downloaded all packages as described in this post.
2. Installed sysvinit-core so that the init system would still be sysvinit (instead of systemd) after the upgrade.

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   apt install sysvinit-core

3. Installed adwaita-icon-theme to avoid the notorious libgtk-3 breakage during the upgrade.
   This pulled in quite a few packages, including new versions of libc6, GLib, GTK+3 and LibreOffice.

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   monsta@lmde ~ $ apt install adwaita-icon-theme
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree       
   Reading state information... Done
   The following extra packages will be installed:
     coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1 coinor-libcoinutils3 coinor-libosi1 gcc-4.9-base gnome-themes-standard
     gnome-themes-standard-data libabw-0.1-1 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libboost-date-time1.55.0 libboost-iostreams1.55.0 libboost-system1.55.0 libc-bin
     libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libcairo2 libcdr-0.1-1 libcmis-0.4-4 libcolord2 libdb5.3 libe-book-0.1-1 libeot0 libetonyek-0.1-1 libfreehand-0.1-1
     libgail-3-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libglew1.10 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-bin libgltf-0.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin
     libgtk-3-common libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b libhunspell-1.3-0 libicu52 libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-0 libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 libjpeg62-turbo
     liblcms2-2 libmspub-0.1-1 libmwaw-0.3-3 libodfgen-0.1-1 liborcus-0.8-0 libpango-1.0-0 libpango1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
     libpangoxft-1.0-0 libraptor2-0 librasqal3 librdf0 libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-base-drivers libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common
     libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer librevenge-0.0-0 libstdc++6
     libtirpc1 libvisio-0.1-1 libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 libwebkitgtk-1.0-common libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 libwebkitgtk-3.0-common
     libwebp5 libwpd-0.10-10 libwpg-0.3-3 libwps-0.3-3 libxkbcommon0 locales uno-libs3 ure
   Suggested packages:
     glibc-doc glew-utils liblcms2-utils raptor2-utils rasqal-utils librdf-storage-postgresql librdf-storage-mysql librdf-storage-sqlite
     librdf-storage-virtuoso redland-utils libreoffice-gcj libreoffice-report-builder libjtds-java libreoffice-mysql-connector libmyodbc libmysql-java
     libreoffice-sdbc-postgresql odbc-postgresql libpg-java libsqliteodbc tdsodbc mdbtools ocl-icd-libopencl1 libreoffice-style-crystal
     libreoffice-style-hicontrast libreoffice-style-oxygen libreoffice-style-sifr libreoffice-style-tango libreoffice-evolution fonts-crosextra-caladea
     fonts-crosextra-carlito
   Recommended packages:
     gnome-accessibility-themes libreoffice-sdbc-firebird libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb python3-uno python-uno libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer
     libreoffice-avmedia-backend-vlc geoclue-2.0
   The following packages will be REMOVED:
     libharfbuzz0a
   The following NEW packages will be installed:
     adwaita-icon-theme coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1 coinor-libcoinutils3 coinor-libosi1 gcc-4.9-base libabw-0.1-1
     libboost-date-time1.55.0 libboost-iostreams1.55.0 libboost-system1.55.0 libcdr-0.1-1 libcmis-0.4-4 libcolord2 libdb5.3 libe-book-0.1-1 libeot0
     libetonyek-0.1-1 libfreehand-0.1-1 libglew1.10 libgltf-0.0-0 libharfbuzz0b libicu52 libjpeg62-turbo libmspub-0.1-1 libmwaw-0.3-3 libodfgen-0.1-1
     liborcus-0.8-0 libreoffice-base-drivers librevenge-0.0-0 libvisio-0.1-1 libwayland-cursor0 libwebp5 libwpd-0.10-10 libwpg-0.3-3 libwps-0.3-3
     libxkbcommon0
   The following packages will be upgraded:
     gnome-themes-standard gnome-themes-standard-data libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libcairo2 libgail-3-0
     libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-bin libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libharfbuzz-icu0
     libhunspell-1.3-0 libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-0 libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 liblcms2-2 libpango-1.0-0 libpango1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
     libpangoxft-1.0-0 libraptor2-0 librasqal3 librdf0 libreoffice-base libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common libreoffice-core
     libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer libstdc++6 libtirpc1 libwayland-client0
     libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 libwebkitgtk-1.0-common libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 libwebkitgtk-3.0-common locales uno-libs3 ure
   52 upgraded, 38 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1403 not upgraded.
   Need to get 0 B/151 MB of archives.
   After this operation, 94.1 MB of additional disk space will be used.
   Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
   ...

4. Proceeded with upgrading the rest of the packages.

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   monsta@lmde ~ $ apt dist-upgrade
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree       
   Reading state information... Done
   Calculating upgrade... The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
     gtkhash gtkhash-common libboost-python1.54.0 libserf1
   Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
   Done
   The following packages will be REMOVED:
     foomatic-filters ghostscript-cups icedtea-6-plugin libcjs0c libcogl-pango12 libcogl12 libfreerdp1 libgoa-1.0-0 libgroupsock1 libmetacity-private0a
     libperl5.18 mintupdate-debian obexd-client packagekit-backend-aptcc plymouth-drm xchat
   The following NEW packages will be installed:
     bluez-obexd cgmanager colord-data cpp-4.9 cups-core-drivers cups-filters-core-drivers dmeventd emacsen-common evolution-common firmware-zd1211
     folder-color-switcher fonts-kalapi fonts-lohit-taml-classical fonts-noto fonts-tlwg-laksaman fonts-wqy-microhei g++-4.9 gcc-4.9 gir1.2-cmenu-3.0
     gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 gir1.2-nmgtk-1.0 hexchat hexchat-common init libamd2.3.1 libasan1 libass5 libavcodec56 libavformat56 libavresample2 libavutil54
     libbind9-90 libblas-common libboost-python1.55.0 libcamd2.3.1 libcamel-1.2-49 libcanberra-gtk3-module libccolamd2.8.0 libcgmanager0 libcholmod2.1.2
     libcilkrts5 libcinnamon-menu-3-0 libcjs0e libcogl-pango20 libcogl-path20 libcogl20 libcolamd2.8.0 libcolorhug2 libdbus-glib2.0-cil libdbus2.0-cil
     libdns-export100 libdns100 libecal-1.2-16 libedataserver-1.2-18 libepoxy0 libevdev2 libexiv2-13 libfakeroot libfdk-aac1 libfl-dev libfreerdp-cache1.1
     libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-codec1.1 libfreerdp-common1.1.0 libfreerdp-core1.1 libfreerdp-crypto1.1 libfreerdp-gdi1.1 libfreerdp-locale1.1
     libfreerdp-primitives1.1 libfreerdp-utils1.1 libgadu3 libgcc-4.9-dev libgcrypt20 libgeocode-glib0 libgnome-bluetooth13 libgnome-desktop-3-10
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     libminiupnpc10 libmjpegutils-2.1-0 libmm-glib0 libmono-system-numerics4.0-cil libmozjs-24-0 libmpdec2 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0 libmplex2-2.1-0 libmspack0
     libndp0 libneon27 libnewtonsoft-json5.0-cil libnih-dbus1 libnih1 libntdb1 libopenjpeg5 libopenraw1 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libparted2 libperl5.20
     libplist2 libpoppler46 libpostproc53 libprocps3 libprotobuf-c1 libpsl0 libpython3.4 libpython3.4-minimal libpython3.4-stdlib libqmi-glib1 libqmi-proxy
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     libtotem-plparser18 libtracker-sparql-1.0-0 libubsan0 libumfpack5.6.2 libupower-glib3 libusageenvironment2 libutvideo15 libva-drm1 libvlccore8
     libvncclient0 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common libwayland-egl1-mesa libwebkit2gtk-3.0-25 libwebpdemux1 libwebpmux1 libwinpr-crt0.1 libwinpr-crypto0.1
     libwinpr-dsparse0.1 libwinpr-environment0.1 libwinpr-file0.1 libwinpr-handle0.1 libwinpr-heap0.1 libwinpr-input0.1 libwinpr-interlocked0.1
     libwinpr-library0.1 libwinpr-path0.1 libwinpr-pool0.1 libwinpr-registry0.1 libwinpr-rpc0.1 libwinpr-sspi0.1 libwinpr-synch0.1 libwinpr-sysinfo0.1
     libwinpr-thread0.1 libwinpr-utils0.1 libx264-142 libx264-146 libx265-51 libxatracker2 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-sync1 libxshmfence1
     linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.16
     mint-backgrounds-rebecca mint-mdm-themes-gdm mint-mdm-themes-html mint-user-guide-cinnamon mintupdate mono-runtime-common mono-runtime-sgen nemo-emblems
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     python3-debian python3-six python3.4 python3.4-minimal qt-at-spi ruby2.1 rubygems-integration startpar systemd-shim tcl8.6 xwayland
   The following packages will be upgraded:
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     apt-xapian-index aptdaemon aptdaemon-data aptitude aptitude-common aptitude-doc-en apturl aspell aspell-en at at-spi2-core avahi-autoipd avahi-daemon
     banshee base-files base-passwd bash bash-completion bc bind9-host binfmt-support binutils bison bluez bogofilter bogofilter-bdb bogofilter-common brasero
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     cinnamon-common cinnamon-control-center cinnamon-control-center-data cinnamon-desktop-data cinnamon-screensaver cinnamon-session cinnamon-session-common
     cinnamon-settings-daemon cinnamon-themes cinnamon-translations cjs cli-common colord console-data console-setup console-setup-linux consolekit coreutils
     cowsay cpio cpp cpp-4.8 crda cron cryptsetup cryptsetup-bin cups cups-client cups-common cups-daemon cups-driver-gutenprint cups-filters cups-pk-helper
     cups-ppdc cups-server-common curl dash davfs2 dbus dbus-x11 dc dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dcraw deb-multimedia-keyring debconf debconf-i18n
     debconf-utils debian-archive-keyring debian-system-adjustments debianutils deborphan default-jre default-jre-headless dh-python dialog
     dictionaries-common diffstat diffutils discover dkms dmidecode dmsetup dmz-cursor-theme dnsmasq-base dnsutils dosfstools dpkg dpkg-dev dpkg-repack
     dselect dvd+rw-tools e2fslibs e2fsprogs ecryptfs-utils ed eject enchant eog espeak espeak-data evince evince-common evolution-data-server-common exiv2
     fakeroot fancontrol ffmpegthumbnailer file file-roller findutils firmware-atheros firmware-bnx2 firmware-bnx2x firmware-brcm80211 firmware-intelwimax
     firmware-ipw2x00 firmware-ivtv firmware-iwlwifi firmware-libertas firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-qlogic
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   1401 upgraded, 225 newly installed, 16 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
   Need to get 362 kB/831 MB of archives.
   After this operation, 757 MB of additional disk space will be used.
   Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
   WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
     libavutil54 libfdk-aac1 libswresample1 libutvideo15 libx264-146 libx265-51 libmp3lame0 libxvidcore4 libavcodec56 libavresample2 libbluray1 librtmp1
     libmjpegutils-2.1-0 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0 libmplex2-2.1-0 libchromaprint0 libavformat56 libswscale3 vlc-plugin-pulse vlc-plugin-notify vlc vlc-data vlc-nox
     libvlccore8 libbasicusageenvironment0 libdvbpsi9 libebml4 libgroupsock4 liblivemedia42 libmatroska6 libpostproc53 libusageenvironment2 libvlc5
     gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg libdvdcss2 libffmpegthumbnailer4 libgegl-0.2-0 ffmpegthumbnailer gstreamer1.0-libav lame deb-multimedia-keyring
   Install these packages without verification? [y/N] y
   ...

All went fine, no dependency problems or other errors that might break the upgrade.
I've uploaded the full upgrade log here in case anyone is interested.


News/issues/annoyances:

1. As you can see in the terminal output above, the new packages from deb-multimedia repo can't be authenticated. This is a one-time issue, it will go away once the new version of deb-multimedia-keyring package is installed during the upgrade.
2. When asked to keep or overwrite some files in /etc directory, you can answer whatever you want about these files:

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   /etc/issue
   /etc/issue.net
   /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop

   They will be overwritten with Mint-specific data by mintsystem/debian-system-adjustments tandem on the next boot. You can see what's been overwritten in /var/log/mintsystem.log file.
3. The same applies to /etc/grub.d/10_linux file. However, updating it from upstream will make LMDE entries in GRUB menu look like "LinuxMint GNU/Linux" instead of the intended "LMDE 2 Cinnamon 64-bit (/dev/sdXY)". You can run "sudo update-grub" to fix that if you wish. You need to run it after the upgrade is done and the system is rebooted.
4. Cinnamon's shutdown/reboot dialog is missing these buttons right after the upgrade (it has only Cancel button). You can logout and then reboot or shutdown via MDM's menu, or just use the command-line tools (sudo reboot/sudo poweroff). It's a one-time issue - it will be gone on the next system boot.
5. Bluetooth applet won't work because of the new gnome-bluetooth version. A notification about faulty applet will appear when Cinnamon starts. To avoid this, you can remove the applet from the panel - either before or after the upgrade.
6. In addition to that, blueberry (the new Mint tool for bluetooth management) isn't installed automatically on the upgrade. You'll have to install it manually (and remove the now-useless cinnamon-bluetooth package).
7. All the fonts that you didn't change in your installation (i.e. left them at their default settings) are changed to Noto during the upgrade. The fonts that you've changed are left as is. This is due to the new default font settings in Betsy packages. This might lead to some fonts being Noto after the upgrade while others might be Sans or Ubuntu or whatever you chose before. This little issue is easily corrected via the font preferences.
8. Even though I've disabled all Cinnamon's sound effects before the upgrade, the "Leaving Cinnamon" sound effect is enabled after the upgrade. This is easily corrected via the sound preferences.
9. LMDE's mintUpdate (mintupdate-debian package) is automatically replaced by the original mintUpdate (mintupdate package) which is used in the main Mint edition. It is now compatible with LMDE 2. Unlike LMDE's mintUpdate, it won't check for updates automatically on start, but rather will wait for the specified amount of time (30 minutes by default) before doing the first check. It essentially avoids some issues like this one. You can always click on its icon and tell it to check for updates right away.
10. Both gnome-terminal and gedit are 3.14 (from Jessie repos), not the older versions from Betsy repo. This is due to them being too new in LMDE UP8 repos. If you want, you can try downgrading them to get your system closer to the "official" LMDE 2 installation.
11. The issue with "/init: 401: /init: touch; not found" message on boot (mentioned here) is present after the upgrade. I'm not sure how serious it is - the system boots fine. There's a discussion about it in Debian mailing list.

[killer de bug]

LMDE's mintUpdate (mintupdate-debian package) is automatically replaced by the original mintUpdate

Good to hear that this was fixed!

Both gnome-terminal and gedit are 3.14 (from Jessie repos), not the older versions from Betsy repo. This is due to them being too new in LMDE UP8 repos. If you want, you can try downgrading them to get your system closer to the "official" LMDE 2 installation.

I would say that you can safely downgrade them. There is no problem by doing so.
To overcome this, when I upgraded, I started by downgrading these packages before the dist-upgrade.

[axisofevil]

Well - I gave up.

I installed LMDE2 over / (and used my separate /home directory).
It appeared to go well (NOT)!!!!!!!!!!!

The install appeared to treat my /home very well - but
It appeared to attempt to set up GRUB to boot to a 32 bit partition as a MBR boot!!
(It should have done a 64 bit UEFI boot).
Obviously a failed boot ensued.

Luckily I had a super-boot DVD to hand.
This allowed me to boot into LMDE2 successfully.
I then ran these commands:-

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sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi
sudo update-grub

I then rebooted and all was well.

I am now loading several hundred extra packages...

[mockturtl]

As you can see in the terminal output above, the new packages from deb-multimedia repo can't be authenticated. This is a one-time issue, it will go away once deb-multimedia-keyring package is installed during the upgrade.

I needed jessie's debian-archive-keyring, too.

Maybe (1b): Double-check your `/etc/apt/preferences`, `/etc/apt/preferences.d/official-extra-repositories.pref`. (For example, I'm not certain I want Betsy's virtualbox-4.3 "Ubuntu-raring" to override the Oracle "Debian-wheezy" package.)

[Monsta]

I've checked it - priority of download.virtualbox.org is 700, same as for extra.linuxmint.com.

[Monsta]

I needed jessie's debian-archive-keyring, too.

I had both debian-archive-keyring and deb-multimedia-keyring in this fresh LMDE 201403 installation - but the first one worked fine on upgrade (no auth problems in Jessie repos) while the second one didn't (auth problem in deb-multimedia repo).

Looks like the cause is the new GPG key of deb-multimedia's maintainer - see the news from 06/02/2015 here.

[wnarifin]

The upgrade path as per instructions in the first page didn't work for me as I ended up with inability to start X. I gave up whenever it got to graphics related problems as would take sometime to fix things up.

Thus I ended up doing a fresh install of LMDE 2. As I intentionally set up a separate /home partition when I set up LMDE 1, that was not much of a problem

I still have LMDE 1 in another computer, I think I would leave it that way until brilliant people here come up with a good upgrade path

Well - I gave up.

I installed LMDE2 over / (and used my separate /home directory).
It appeared to go well (NOT)!!!!!!!!!!!

I replaced LMDE 2 over LMDE 1. My situation was similar to yours as I had separate /home. However there wasn't much problem with the installation.

During the installation, the partition assigned as / was also marked for reformatting to ensure that all traces of LMDE 1 were wiped out.

In addition, during the installation, I didn't assign /home directory to partition containing /home directory. It was done post installation manually by editing /etc/fstab. I removed all configuration related folders (i.e. those ./directory) in /home/user directory before rebooting.

[cb474]

It's funny, when this thread was first started it seemed like people were upgrading without problems. Now it seems like there are a number of issues and failures. Has the process become less reliable?

[woodsman]

I won't say less reliable, but for me, using LMDE MATE, more complicated. I can still get the desired result but now with more steps. I haven't posted any updates because additional steps seems like a regression rather than improvement. Perhaps I am not scratching the dog's belly in the right place.

I hope the devs open their solution to beta testing. There is sufficient information in this thread to indicate just about everybody trying to update has run into one problem or another.

[cb474]

Thanks for the update woodsman.

That's too bad. I hadn't gotten around to doing this yet, but was looking forward to updating. It's funny that updating has become more complicated, since it first became possible. I guess I should have done it sooner.

[Monsta]

Fixes for two MATE packages that broke the upgrade are in Betsy repos now.

[killer de bug]

It's funny, when this thread was first started it seemed like people were upgrading without problems. Now it seems like there are a number of issues and failures. Has the process become less reliable?

I won't say less reliable, but for me, using LMDE MATE, more complicated.

First of all, it is true that you need to distinguish between Cinnamon and Mate. It was easier to update Cinnamon obviously.
But more important, I think early adopters are really skilled. They want to jump in because they are not afraid. They know their way. They expect breakages, are not surprised when this happens and are able to fix them.

They probably also only report big issues. And therefore it seems easier. Before upgrading my system I tried twice in a VB. I was aware of the breaking points. I made some changes in the process and everything was smooth.

People who jumps in now are probably slightly less experienced. They may face issues that other people were tackling easily. They report this and you think the process is less reliable despite the fact it did not change. Let's face it: Jessie is not moving.

I really think that a working upgrade path is almost ready. No worries, it's coming

[woodsman]

I appreciate those users who want to update only their system. For me, my focus has not been my experience or whether I wanted to be an early adopter. Had I updated only myself several weeks ago I would be fully updated right now. I have one test machine in which I have done just that. A test machine --- not a production machine.

My perspective is I support other people. That is why I need to always test fully updating from scratch. My focus is being prepared to update those people. The challenge is testing the update process takes a long time.

Once the green flag is given through the Update Notifier, those people I help will need me to help with this massive update. I need to understand fully how I am going to help them should things go awry.

I suspect there are LMDE users who do not watch all the news or follow the forums. Their first hint of a massive update will be the Update Notifier, which is what will happen to the people I help. That is the perspective I am focused --- being able to help users update who have no knowledge of this thread. Yes, I am sending them a "warning" email, but they still will need my help, which requires me to be prepared.

Yes, there is a difference between the Cinnamon and MATE versions. I noticed that early in the thread. MATE seems to be more challenging than Cinnamon to update.

Jessie has been official since April 25 --- two weeks. I expect the Mint devs to announce something any day now. I hope they have a beta testing period like they did with the ISO images.

[cb474]

First of all, it is true that you need to distinguish between Cinnamon and Mate. It was easier to update Cinnamon obviously.
But more important, I think early adopters are really skilled. They want to jump in because they are not afraid. They know their way. They expect breakages, are not surprised when this happens and are able to fix them.

They probably also only report big issues. And therefore it seems easier. Before upgrading my system I tried twice in a VB. I was aware of the breaking points. I made some changes in the process and everything was smooth.

It's hard for me to imagine anyone reading this thread and considering this unofficial upgrade option not being at least a little bit experienced.

In any case, my comments were based very specifically on what was said early in this thread (when it was only one page). You can see I was participating in the thread then. At that time, after a few tries, people were saying that the upgrade went completely fine, other than having to deal with a lot of configuration files during the upgrade process. People were not particularly reporting breakages that would require package upgrades to be fixed.

So it does at least appear like something changed and the upgrade doesn't go as well now. Either that, or people spoke too soon, when this thread was started, and then discovered issues later.

In any case, when I checked back in on this thread the other day, the tenor of what people are reporting, the level of complication, and the fact that there are issues was definitely different from the relative smooth sailing people were reporting early on. Whether that's a change in the actual update process (perhaps some packages have changed since the early days and now actually cause more issues) or just a change in what people are reporting, I don't know. But the way things appear in the thread has certainly changed.