Why are you beating a dead horse?aviynw wrote:I still think that these suggestions SHOULD be told to the linux mint team as opposed to, or maybe in addition to, the xorg or pulseaudio team. I am certainly no expert, but wouldn't these issues be a matter of making a script and a gui? Does pulseaudio development even deal with gui stuff? If it was fitting for fedora to add such a script to handle xorg I don't see why it wouldn't be a fitting job for us as well.
I also disagree with several points about what the purpose of linux should be. Many people here seem to think that whatever it should be, it should attempt to drag people into developing for it. To the point that if you are not willing to develop for it you are not welcome to use it. To the point that the creation of gui tools is bad because then people won't learn how to develop for linux. Even if someone doesn't contribute in any sort of way I still think they should still be welcomed to use it. When I help people on forums it isn't because I want them to eventually help linux later on, and when I ask for help I don't ask with that intent. Ubuntu translates from zulu as "humanity to others", I think that's what it should all be about. In that light, If someone makes a suggestion with no intention to contribute, that request should still be heard.
I remember reading a review of linux mint that depicted that it as a distribution that really listened to user feedback. It said something along the lines of, “you can make a suggestion today and literally see it be included in the next release.” So far my experience suggests otherwise, I hope that isn't the case. Whatever the reality is, all should be aware of that reality, and if you disagree with the community's purpose you belong in a different community.
These suggestions have been aired. If I am not mistaken the way things work is Husse sees these posts. If he feels it is a worthwhile suggestion then he will talk to Clem. If you want to persist then why not just PM him personally?Everyone has their own personal opinion about what the purpose of Linux should be, from system admins who use CLI only to windows rejects looking for a free ride to everything in between. I do not develop for Linux, I am just a user. I am a construction worker with an aluminium installation business, I do not know the first thing about coding. I have helped many people through the years, I have probably dissuaded many more. So be it. If you like Ubuntu's philosophy then use it. If you can build a better mousetrap then build it. If you cannot then give the idea to someone who can. If no one listens then maybe your idea is not so good. THAT is the way it works. There are way too many chuckleheads coming in here with their limited view of what Mint SHOULD be insisting that they will make it the ultimate replacement for Windows that it should be. It is an old, wore out tune. No one is saying these suggestions are not worthwhile. But Clem is driving this ship, it is his baby. Either use it or get off, it is your choice. THAT is what Linux is about. Freedom. You have the freedom to build your own ship, the same as Clem did. There are things I would change about Mint if I was in charge. But I am not, and this is the best distro AT THE MOMENT. I have no complaints.
Fedora is cutting edge so it sees the first implementation of all this stuff, and let me tell you brother, it is SO screwed up! What used to be a simple gedit in xorg.conf is now a convoluted walk into policyland. What used to be an easy entry into fstab is now an hour long process of trying to get all the separate pieces "talking" to each other. Auto-everything is great until your stuff is not recognized. This is the price for things getting "easier" and this is the reason for my pessimistic outlook in threads like "what will Mint be like in 10 years?" See, I have been there before most Mint users. It is coming to this distro too! Just wait! Hopefully things will work better, be more stable, by the time Ubuntu gets them. But it is all coming. Back in the old days you may have had to google a problem, but then the solution was simple. You typed some cryptic gobbly-gook into a terminal and presto, your new automatic bread butterer was recognized and worked. That was what Linux was all about. I sure am losing sight of what it is these days.