[SOLVED] KBackup

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[SOLVED] KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:34 am

I've been looking for a simple backup tool to backup data files from my primary hard drive to a secondary hard drive (called "Drive 2 P 1"). I need to do a full backup occasionally with incremental backups in between. Looking at the description of KBackup it mentions incremental backups, but I cannot see how to do one, it always defaults to full backup.

The larger picture is that I use FreeFileSync on my Win 7 machine to copy files over the network to the primary hard drive on Linux and then want to backup those again to "Disk 1 P 1". The reason I do it this way is because I cannot get "Drive 2 P 1" to appear on the LAN.

I've also tried Cobian (a backup program I use on my Win 7 machine) running under Wine, but this too backs up all the files on an incremental. Does Linux access a file's archive flag?

I can't get FreeFileSync (For Linux) to install and the Windows version won't run under Wine.
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Re: KBackup

Post by Hoser Rob » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:38 am

Wasn't familiar with Kbackup so I did a bit of searching. Look at the dates/releases on these links ...

https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/application ... c/kbackup/

https://sourceforge.net/projects/kbackup/

... and it's listed as being supported up to Ubuntu 13.10. Which is pretty old. As the 2nd link shows, it hasn't been updated since 2013.

Since backwards compatibility does not work in Linux, I would consider that app useless.

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Re: KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:47 am

Shame really, it works quite well otherwise.

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Re: KBackup

Post by phd21 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:09 pm

Hi "rtbcomp",

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

It would help to know more about your system setup. If you run "inxi -Fxzd" and "lsusb" from the console terminal prompt, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.

"Kbackup" does not appear to be maintained and updated anymore.

"FreeFileSync" is superb and works well on any edition of Linux Mint. "LuckyBackup" works well too.
https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/instal ... untu-16-04


Linux Mint 17.x users can use their PPA

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:freefilesync/ffs

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sudo apt-get update

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sudo apt-get install freefilesync

For Linux Mint 18.x

- Easy to install Linux deb files for 32-bit and 64-bit in the link below, just save somewhere and double click the file to install.
https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/g ... eefilesync

- Newest version 64-bit only - Just download the archive file, right click it and select extract to create a "FreeFileSync" folder, and double click the "FreeFileSync" program executable file in that folder to run it. I would recommend moving the folder to your Home folder. If the "FreeFileSync" program does not come up when you double click it, you may have to right click it select properties, permissions tab, check allow to execute, click apply and ok. You can also create menu item or desktop shortcut to this program executable file.
https://www.freefilesync.org/download/F ... bit.tar.gz


Hope this helps ...
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Re: KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:58 pm

Many thanks guys, progress made! :D

First attempt at installing FreeFileSync didn't work:

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roger@Vista ~ $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:freefilesync/ffs
[sudo] password for roger: 
'This PPA does not support xenial'
Cannot add PPA: ''This PPA does not support xenial''.
But this did:

For Linux Mint 18.x

- Easy to install Linux deb files for 32-bit and 64-bit in the link below, just save somewhere and double click the file to install.
https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/g ... eefilesync


I haven't tried using it yet, but it started up ok and at least I'm on familiar ground again. I'll get back a bit later.

For the record:

System Information

roger@Vista ~ $ inxi -Fxzd
System: Host: Vista Kernel: 4.8.0-53-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
Desktop: Cinnamon 3.4.3 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3)
Distro: Linux Mint 18.2 Sonya
Machine: System: Acer product: Aspire M3201
Mobo: Acer model: RS780HVF
Bios: American Megatrends v: R01-B2 date: 08/15/2008
CPU: Quad core AMD Phenom 9150e (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm) bmips: 14393
clock speeds: max: 1800 MHz 1: 900 MHz 2: 1800 MHz 3: 900 MHz
4: 900 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS780 [Radeon HD 3200]
bus-ID: 01:05.0
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS780 (DRM 2.46.0 / 4.8.0-53-generic, LLVM 3.8.0)
GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.6 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio: Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS780 HDMI Audio [Radeon (HD) 3000 Series]
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:05.1
Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.8.0-53-generic
Network: Card: Marvell 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
driver: sky2 v: 1.30 port: e800 bus-ID: 02:00.0
IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives: HDD Total Size: 3320.7GB (3.8% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD3200AAJS size: 320.1GB
ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD30EZRZ size: 3000.6GB
Optical: /dev/sr0 model: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH15F
rev: EG00 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
Features: speed: 40x multisession: yes
audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Partition: ID-1: / size: 290G used: 8.8G (4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.02GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 29.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 212 Uptime: 9:33 Memory: 698.4/3784.6MB
Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35
roger@Vista ~ $


roger@Vista ~ $ lsusb
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader)
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

Thanks again,

Roger

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Re: KBackup

Post by phd21 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:11 pm

Hi "rtbcomp",

That's great you got FreeFileSync installed, it is a great program. You might consider trying "luckybackup" too from the Software Manager or Synaptic Package Manager (SPM).

Now that I have the results from your "inxi -Fxzd", I can tell you are using Linux Mint Cinnamon version 18.2 32-bit, but you should be using a Linux Mint 64-bit version for your processor...

The PPA is for Linux Mint 17.x based on Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty, not Linux Mint 18.x based on Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial.

FYI: Their FreeFileSync archive file provides a newer version.
$ inxi -Fxzd
System:Host: Vista Kernel: 4.8.0-53-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
Desktop: Cinnamon 3.4.3 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3)
Distro: Linux Mint 18.2 Sonya
Machine: System: Acer product: Aspire M3201
Mobo: Acer model: RS780HVF
Bios: American Megatrends v: R01-B2 date: 08/15/2008
CPU: Quad core AMD Phenom 9150e (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm) bmips: 14393
clock speeds: max: 1800 MHz 1: 900 MHz 2: 1800 MHz 3: 900 MHz
4: 900 MHz
Hope this helps ...
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Re: KBackup

Post by rdonnelly » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:16 pm

I have been using luckybackup for years, it works and syncs great.
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Re: KBackup

Post by sammiev » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:31 pm

I can 2nd luckybackup, also been using it for years.

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Re: KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:53 pm

I'm well used to FreeFileSync under Windows, used for a few years. I tried Luckybackup (amongst others) but unistalled it, can't remember why though.

I noticed FreeFileSync said there was a later version available, does it install automatically (like under Windows) or just download the installation package?

I'll try the 64 bit version of Mint when I next have to re-install, at the moment I'm digitising my record collection and until that's finished it's case of "if it's not broke, don't fix it." Will I notice any difference using the 64 bit version? Any impications for installed packaged?

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Re: KBackup

Post by phd21 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:39 pm

Hi "rtbcomp",
rtbcomp wrote:I'm well used to FreeFileSync under Windows, used for a few years. I tried Luckybackup (amongst others) but unistalled it, can't remember why though.
I also used FreeFileSync (FFS) for years under MS Windows and for years now under Linux Mint. I think LuckyBackup is excellent as well.
rtbcomp wrote:I noticed FreeFileSync said there was a later version available, does it install automatically (like under Windows) or just download the installation package?
Some Linux software deb installation files will install a software source repository that will be updated regularly, others do not. I do not think FFS will do that as they do not currently have a repository for Linux Mint 18.x (Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial). The newer FFS from the archive file is only for 64-bit systems and maybe only for Linux Mint 18.x., and it too will require downloading a new archive file when a new version comes out and extracting it, etc... which is not hard to do once you have done it once. Just save all your FreeFileSync sync definitions (something.ffs) that you create into your Documents folder or home folder.
rtbcomp wrote: I'll try the 64 bit version of Mint when I next have to re-install, at the moment I'm digitising my record collection and until that's finished it's case of "if it's not broke, don't fix it." Will I notice any difference using the 64 bit version? Any impications for installed packaged?
Everything will work better and faster using the 64-bit version of Linux Mint. All applications would have to be reinstalled using their 64-bit applications where available. FYI: Backup all important data, documents, multimedia files, passwords, etc... before re-installing Linux Mint 64-bit. All browsers have sync options to make that easy if you sync before re-installing.

How are you digitizing your music collection? There are great applications for that as well, and I think everyone here would recommend that you use the lossless ".flac" for the digital music file format which can then easily be converted into other formats like mp3 when and if needed.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:02 pm

I started using NCH's "Golden Records Vinyl to CD Converter" under windows and it just about works under Wine, but I've just started using OcenAudio under Linux. NCH are a bit sneaky, they advertise some of their software as free, but it turns into a trial and you get a message saying it's expired. Very sneaky so they won't be getting any cash of me. They also put nags in the task scheduler. I'd sooner donate to a more open organisation.

I'm just using the soundcard incorporated on the motherboard, I don't need any great quality, the source is 1960's vinyl, 78s and home recorded cassettes. I'm recording as uncompressed WAVs which I may process further if I feel like it

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Re: KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:06 pm

phd21 wrote:...
... FYI: Backup all important data, documents, multimedia files, passwords, etc... before re-installing Linux Mint 64-bit. ...
All my data is on Disk 2 P 1 which will be physically disconnected before I do a new install. Data is also duplicated between my other two PCs on the network, an HDD connected to my router and Dropbox.

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Re: KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:54 am

That went well :D

I used FreeFileSync to copy my data from the Win7 machine straight to "Disk 2 P1", this got around the problem of the 2nd HDD not appearing on the network. This has turned from a problem into a security feature :wink:

Always try to call a bug a feature, saves a lot of work!

Thanks again.

Roger

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Re: KBackup

Post by phd21 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:12 am

Hi "rtbcomp",

You are welcome, again.

FYI: There are some good posts in this forum on converting vinyl records into digital files, search for "vinyl". A lot of people use Audacity for this...

BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO DUSTY VINYL BY DIGITIZING YOUR LPS (THE RIGHT WAY)
By Brandon Widder — Posted on April 21, 2017 9:45 am
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-thea ... ollection/

Convert your records to digital format on Linux
https://opensource.com/life/16/2/open-music-vinyl-lp


linux + converting vinyl records
https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... IAhbPUCebU
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Re: [NOT-SOLVED] KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:41 pm

My euphoria was a bit premature :(

Using FreeFileSync set to mirror from the Win7 machine over the LAN to Disk 2 worked the first time, but the second time it deleted the previously saved backup! It showed the source as being empty, so it emptied the destination. Running it again with an empty destination worked OK :shock:

So I set FFS up on the Win7 machine to push data onto the primary HDD on Mint and it worked fine for the few times I tested it.

I then set FFS up on the Mint machine to backup from primary HDD to Disk2 and that worked fine, so the problem lies with FFS not recognising the source files over the LAN once it had already backed them up.

I tried installing the latest version of FFS on Mint, but it wouldn't have it, there was no response to clicking the program in the extracted folder***, despite the relevant box being ticked. I tried the link you gave me (with difficulty as I got a "not permitted" error on my browser) and also the link provided in FFS.

It looks like I'm stuck with a 2-stage operation for the moment, but still, I can call that a feature because my data is held in 2 places on the Mint machine instead of just one. :idea:

***EDIT - This may be due to having downloaded the 64 bit version and trying to run it on 32 bit Mint, it's getting late.

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Re: [NOT-SOLVED] KBackup

Post by rtbcomp » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:20 pm

I've now loaded the 64 bit version of Mint and the 64 bit version of FreeFileSync (FFS) and it works but doesn't display the icon on the link, bit that's no great problem.

I still had a problem mirroring from Win7 over the LAN to Disk 2 - I think this may be something to do with the source addresses in the LH column of FFS. I loaded the 1st address by browsing, I then copied that to the clipboard and pasted to the other source addresses, then manually modified them as necessary. Those didn't work so I browsed again and the capital letters I entered were converted to lower case and it worked. I also had problems with permissions on the destination addresses.

I may investigate this later, but in the meantime I'm using the 2-stage process described above.

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