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[Solved] USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:25 am

I'm planning on a full Linux install to a USB flash drive purely for "portable" ebook management.

Distro:
Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon or Xfce

Apps:
Firefox
Calibre (ebook manager)

Personal Data:
ebooks ~5GiB

Given the above considerations, do you guys think a 32GB flash drive will suffice? I'm thinking ~15GiB / and ~15GiB /home to easily facilitate upgrades. No swap (all machines have at least 4GB RAM).

There's a specific flash drive model/form factor I want: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6820147716
Seems a waste to spend more for the higher capacities if 32GB will suffice. Quite likely, 128GB flash drives will probably cost $10-15 in just a year or two should I need to upgrade/replace the drive.
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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by 12Parsecs » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:46 am

Hi,

I just installed Linux Mint 19 on a new SDD drive and with updates it is around 28GB.

I would suggest the next size up, maybe 64GB or if you can stretch to 128GB, even better.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:10 pm

12Parsecs wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:46 am
I just installed Linux Mint 19 on a new SDD drive and with updates it is around 28GB.
Curious, did you install other apps or does the 28GB perhaps include swap file? My local install to SSD sits at ~5GB fully updated.

A 28GB fresh install sounds more like bloated Windows.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by 12Parsecs » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:46 am

I installed from USB onto the new SDD and once completed, only 92GB was left.

Maybe as I was installing onto a machine that was originally Windows 8.1, there is some hangover?

I'm new to the Linux word so if I could remove Windows completely, any tips would be appreciated :D

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by catweazel » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:58 am

rui no onna wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:25 am
Given the above considerations, do you guys think a 32GB flash drive will suffice? I'm thinking ~15GiB / and ~15GiB /home to easily facilitate upgrades. No swap (all machines have at least 4GB RAM).
You'd be better off installing without a separate home on that size flash drive so that the available space can be used by programs and files together without too much worrying about space being necessary.
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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:00 am

catweazel wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:58 am
You'd be better off installing without a separate home on that size flash drive so that the available space can be used by programs and files together without too much worrying about space being necessary.
Thanks for the advice.

Hmm, I might just go for btrfs again in order to get "virtual partitions" for / and /home. Hopefully, compression + CoW would help reduce writes to the flash drive, too. Gonna have to find a 32GB thumb drive I can repurpose for testing. If it works, I'll buy the low profile Samsung and clone to there.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by lsemmens » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:31 am

My re-load drive is only 8Gb.
Kernel: 4.15.0-46-generic x86_64 bits
Desktop: Cinnamon 3.8.9
Distro: Linux Mint 19 Tara

Laptop HP-ProBook-470-G2 8Gb RAM SSD
Server AMD Phenom 9650 - GEForce 9400GT 6Gb RAM
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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:43 pm

lsemmens wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:31 am
My re-load drive is only 8Gb.
Interesting. What do you mean by re-load? Is that a distro or something?

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by lsemmens » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:47 pm

The USB stick I use to install Linux the LIVE image that you boot from to install Linux.
Kernel: 4.15.0-46-generic x86_64 bits
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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by gm10 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:01 pm

12Parsecs wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:46 am
I just installed Linux Mint 19 on a new SDD drive and with updates it is around 28GB.
As others said, this is clearly not normal. Could be a driver issue leading to log spam, check the size of your /var/log folder before it eats up your entire free space (but make a new thread about it if you then need help with that).

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:41 pm

lsemmens wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:47 pm
The USB stick I use to install Linux the LIVE image that you boot from to install Linux.
Ah, yes. The iso is definitely much more compact at less than 2GB per. I actually do have a 128GB multiboot LiveUSB containing 10+ distros each with its own 4GB persistence/casper-rw file.

However, it seems like not all changes made during a live session persist. On LM19, the manually installed driver for my laptop's Broadcom wifi adapter resets after every reboot, hence why I'm considering full install. Admittedly, that was with the v1 iso and I've actually replaced my wifi adapter now with Intel so this might be worth revisiting.

I actually do have another 128GB USB that has LM19v2 iso with 30GB casper-rw and 50GB home-rw persistent partitions to test this on. It has a tendency to overheat so I can't use it for long periods but should be okay testing for a short time.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by KBD47 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:48 pm

I've done this for ages. I just put everything on a single ext 4 partition. 32 gb is fine if you are not adding tons of files. Probably 5-6 gb after installing Mint, with over 20 gb left or updates and a few files.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:10 pm

KBD47 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:48 pm
I've done this for ages. I just put everything on a single ext 4 partition. 32 gb is fine if you are not adding tons of files. Probably 5-6 gb after installing Mint, with over 20 gb left or updates and a few files.
Thanks. Just placed my order for the 32GB thumb drive. At most, I'll use 10GB for personal data but more likely than not, it'll be closer to 5GB. Pure text ebooks tend to be pretty small.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by KBD47 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:11 pm

rui no onna wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:10 pm

Thanks. Just placed my order for the 32GB thumb drive. At most, I'll use 10GB for personal data but more likely than not, it'll be closer to 5GB. Pure text ebooks tend to be pretty small.
Let us know how it works out.

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Re: USB full install - 32GB enough?

Post by rui no onna » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:16 am

KBD47 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:11 pm
Let us know how it works out.
Update

Went with the following:
/dev/sda1 5GB ntfs (shared)
/dev/sda2 24GB btrfs (contains / and /home subvolumes)

Initial LM19 Cinnamon install was 5GB. With LZO compression, it dropped to 3.5GB. After updates and install of a few apps (kate, gwenview, notepadqq), / is at ~4GB. Timeshift-btrfs snapshots add another GB.

I just made an image of the fully updated clean install. Now that that's done, calibre and pCloud are next.

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