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Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:40 pm

Screen Chattering in Browser Again. Is there a way to fix this easily? If not I'll just move on to something that allows smooth scrolling easily. I have not installed yet and am looking for a good distro to do so. I am thinking 18.3 would be better for this old laptop, and maybe a bit more stable. Please don't pretend this is not an issue in Linux as I've had this issue for years now. Some distros are better than others but I would like to run Cinnamon if possible, just don't understand how to fix this easily. I've also seen work-around's but don't know if that is needed. I seem to remember in some of the Mint distros you could choose a different Window Manager or something to that affect and make things better.

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mint@mint ~ $ sudo inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: mint Kernel: 4.10.0-38-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.6.6 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3) Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Pavilion dv6 Notebook PC v: 0691210000204610000620100
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 1805 v: 33.58 Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.1C date: 01/25/2013
CPU:       Quad core AMD A8-3520M APU with Radeon HD Graphics (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm) bmips: 12776
           clock speeds: max: 1600 MHz 1: 1000 MHz 2: 1400 MHz 3: 900 MHz 4: 1200 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] BeaverCreek [Radeon HD 6620G] bus-ID: 00:01.0
           Display Server: X.org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 168x45 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] BeaverCreek HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series]
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:01.1
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.0-38-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000 bus-ID: 01:00.0
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter driver: bcma-pci-bridge bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: wlp2s0b1 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 595.3GB (4.0% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD5000LPLX size: 500.1GB temp: 45C
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Flash_Drive_FIT size: 64.2GB temp: 0C
           ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: USB_Flash_Drive size: 31.0GB temp: 0C
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 54.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 46.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 221 Uptime: 5 min Memory: 851.9/5440.0MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (sudo) inxi: 2.2.35 
mint@mint ~ $ 
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by trytip » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:26 pm

if you want to say cinnamon there's no switching window managers only mate/xfce can. you forget to mention which browser. not sure what chattering is. my 2007 computer scrolls perfect in chrome once a page is loaded. for instance at yahoo.com scrolling down for the first time i get a bit of not so smooth scrolling but once loaded i can go up and down very smooth. browser extensions can be causing much of that. for me i stay away from firefox because the scrolling is much more forceful then chrome
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:20 pm

I was in a live session so it was Firefox with no extensions. I did try Ubuntu Budgie recently and no issues at all, but most all other distros have some bit of issues with this in all browsers. Unfortunately don't like Ubuntu Budgie, but may have to look at it a little closer and see if I can make some changes to it.

Don't know what to call it, chattering, screen tearing, just bad graphics while scrolling. Only really noticeable in browsers though.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by monkeyfarts » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:56 am

pcpunk wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:20 pm
I was in a live session so it was Firefox with no extensions. I did try Ubuntu Budgie recently and no issues at all, but most all other distros have some bit of issues with this in all browsers. Unfortunately don't like Ubuntu Budgie, but may have to look at it a little closer and see if I can make some changes to it.

Don't know what to call it, chattering, screen tearing, just bad graphics while scrolling. Only really noticeable in browsers though.
Since budgie seems to be more stable on your machine, have you tried the distro that developed it, Solus?
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:10 am

No but I will try it out if time allows. I like already the Panel on the bottom, so less work figuring out how to change that in Ubuntu Bungie.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:23 am

As for Firefox, you can enable or disable hardware acceleration and smooth scrolling in the preferences.
Sometimes it helps to play around with it...
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:28 am

It's an operating system thing and now a browser thing.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by trytip » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:39 am

you can't do much if this is on a live usb. you can usually install a small amount of apps depending on RAM. i would install chrome or chromium and test that. but like before if you boot this in live you'll have to do it every boot.

there's a difference between smooth scrolling and screen tear. you have to decide what chattering really is. chrome offers much better scrolling with no extra configuration and with hardware acceleration enabled. try some screen tearing tests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hIRq5HTh5s
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:48 am

If it's the operating system I would recommend a try with Mint Mate 18.3.
This also runs on a 10 year old netbook (Intel Mobile 945GSE Graphics) without any problems.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:03 am

Thanks for the advice, but Mate has an issue that the File Manager gets stuck in the Panel all the time with me. In fact every time you Open the Menu while the File Manager is Minimized it will get stuck in the Panel, until you open another piece of software, then it seems to be unstuck. Not the biggest issue in the world, and I might go back to that, but will need to test it again with different Windows Managers. Otherwise a very good distro.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:10 am

Thanks for the advice, but Mate has an issue that the File Manager gets stuck in the Panel all the time with me. In fact every time you Open the Menu while the File Manager is Minimized it will get stuck in the Panel, until you open another piece of software, then it seems to be unstuck. Not the biggest issue in the world, and I might go back to that, but will need to test it again with different Window Manager. Otherwise a very good distro.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:02 am

pcpunk wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:10 am
Thanks for the advice, but Mate has an issue that the File Manager gets stuck in the Panel all the time with me. In fact every time you Open the Menu while the File Manager is Minimized it will get stuck in the Panel, until you open another piece of software, then it seems to be unstuck. Not the biggest issue in the world, and I might go back to that, but will need to test it again with different Window Manager. Otherwise a very good distro.
Just been playing around with the file manager (Caja), minimized it in the panel, opened menu and started a program, opened Caja then minimized again etc... closed minimized Caja with mouse right click ... ...

I didn't notice anything disturbing about Caja.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:29 am

That's not what I said. And, this don't seem to happen with everyone, how I don't know, because it happens every time I try it since 18.0 on so many occasions I can't count.

1. Open File Manager.

2. Minimize File Manager to Panel.

3. Open Menu and close it.

4. Click on File Manager in Panel to Maximize it. At this point is where the issue lies. The File Manager will get stuck and Text will turn BOLD. You can Right Click to close it and that will work. If you open another piece of software, then go back to Maximize File Manager it seems to work. This is a known issue but I don't know why I experience it every time and others don't.

If you don't mind post your inxi info.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:38 am

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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:50 am

pcpunk wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:29 am
That's not what I said. And, this don't seem to happen with everyone, how I don't know, because it happens every time I try it since 18.0 on so many occasions I can't count.

1. Open File Manager.

2. Minimize File Manager to Panel.

3. Open Menu and close it.

4. Click on File Manager in Panel to Maximize it. At this point is where the issue lies. The File Manager will get stuck and Text will turn BOLD. You can Right Click to close it and that will work. If you open another piece of software, then go back to Maximize File Manager it seems to work. This is a known issue but I don't know why I experience it every time and others don't.

If you don't mind post your inxi info.

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xxx@xxx-Aspire-one ~ $ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: xxx-Aspire-one Kernel: 4.15.0-33-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
		   Desktop: MATE 1.18.0 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3)
		   Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   System: Acer (portable) product: Aspire one v: V1.25
		   Mobo: Acer model: Aspire one v: V1.25
		   Bios: Acer v: V1.25 date: 11/28/2009
CPU:       Single core Intel Atom N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB
		   flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 3192
		   clock speeds: max: 1600 MHz 1: 831 MHz 2: 876 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
		   bus-ID: 00:02.0
		   Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
		   Resolution: 1024x600@60.08hz
		   GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2
		   GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 18.0.5 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
		   driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
		   Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.15.0-33-generic
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
		   driver: ath9k bus-ID: 01:00.0
		   IF: wls1 state: up mac: <filter>
		   Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8132 Fast Ethernet
		   driver: atl1c v: 1.0.1.1-NAPI port: 2000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
		   IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 135.7GB (31.0% used)
		   ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_840 size: 120.0GB
		   ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: DataTraveler_2.0 size: 15.6GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 108G used: 38G (37%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1
		   ID-2: /boot size: 472M used: 140M (32%) fs: ext2 dev: /dev/sda1
		   ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.13GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 49.0C mobo: N/A
		   Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 155 Uptime: 10 min Memory: 247.2/2002.3MB
		   Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
		   Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35 
Just repeat exactly your 4 points step with Caja - simple no problems...
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:01 pm

I expected as much. I will have to review those specs against mine and see if there is anything interesting.
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by pcpunk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:03 pm

The problem was repeated here by mint4all
viewtopic.php?p=1466719#p1466719
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Re: Screen Chattering in Browser Again

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:36 pm

pcpunk wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:01 pm
I expected as much. I will have to review those specs against mine and see if there is anything interesting.
When we're a bit off topic - the Intel Atom processor and graphics have always been blamed mercilessly - but the thing is very easy to maintain and unbeatable from a security point of view.
... only the stupid screen is really bad.
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