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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by MurphCID » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:20 am

Arch_Enemy wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:40 am
(I think that was his review of Arch...)
From what I hear about Arch, that might not be an inaccurate comment.....

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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by Arch_Enemy » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:42 pm

MurphCID wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:20 am
Arch_Enemy wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:40 am
(I think that was his review of Arch...)
From what I hear about Arch, that might not be an inaccurate comment.....
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by MurphCID » Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:04 pm

Arch_Enemy wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:42 pm
MurphCID wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:20 am
Arch_Enemy wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:40 am
(I think that was his review of Arch...)
From what I hear about Arch, that might not be an inaccurate comment.....
You see my username, right? There is a REASON I use Mint! :wink:
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by Inundated » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:28 pm

Taxes.

In this case, my city tax return. Since I don't have an "electronic filing code" (not sure why I never got one, I've lived at the same address for five years), I have to use the city's "fillable PDF form"...in lieu of printing it out and hand writing my calculations.

https://www.akronohio.gov/cms/site/METHODS/index.html

The "fillable form" requires, yes, requires, Adobe Acrobat Reader to do the automatic calculations before printing out the finished form. It doesn't work within Chrome.

A quick check of the Google Machine tells me that Adobe had an Acrobat Reader for Linux, but abandoned it in roughly 2013.

I suppose I could see if Wine supports the current Windows version, but tax day is tomorrow, so I booted up the Windows 10 partition on my aging/soon to be replaced laptop, filled it out, saved the PDF to disk and then E-mailed it to myself...printing the result from my Linux Mint machine.
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by BG405 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:08 pm

Inundated wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:28 pm
Taxes.
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The "fillable form" requires, yes, requires, Adobe Acrobat Reader to do the automatic calculations before printing out the finished form. It doesn't work within Chrome.
I just tried it with Okular (after about 5 minutes fighting the "Captcha") & it didn't seem to work on that either, although I don't have the necessary details to fill in, not being a US resident. Might work with the correct details, though.

GB tax is "going digital" as well. I'll have to try one of the UK tax forms. If they, too, require Adobe the only options for those of us who are Windows-free (& don't have a Mac either) are a Windows virtual machine or, as you said, Wine. Or borrow a Windows machine or a Mac. Ugh. :evil:
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by Portreve » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:01 pm

On the matter of taxes, I filed mine in early January and have long since gotten my refund. I use Intuit TurboTax online, and have done now for many years.

Perhaps some states and other countries are a******s about this sort of thing; nevertheless, I would not condone running non-free whole software (I make limited exception for a very few codecs and that sort of thing) and I guess would seek a more conventional alternative if there was no other technological possibility but to run a non-free program.

As for handling PDFs, I haven't encountered a "form" PDF in quite a while. Honestly, the only thing I use PDFs for is interchanging them with someone else when I've built a layout in a desktop publishing program (Scribus, obviously) or created something and there's no guarantee of adequate compatibility otherwise (creating a document in LibreOffice where the layout really matters and the other person uses, z.B., M$ Office).
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by murray » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:55 pm

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Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:08 pm
GB tax is "going digital" as well. I'll have to try one of the UK tax forms. If they, too, require Adobe the only options for those of us who are Windows-free (& don't have a Mac either) are a Windows virtual machine or, as you said, Wine. Or borrow a Windows machine or a Mac. Ugh. :evil:
Interesting that some countries are using PDFs for tax returns. Here in New Zealand our tax department has allowed electronic filing for quite some time but they do it by allowing you to log into their website and then filling in normal HTML forms. This allows them to pre-populate a lot of the fields with the information they already know about you, and of course it also means that any old web browser can be used to file the tax return.
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by lsemmens » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:41 am

Oz also allows for electronic lodgement. It's been years since I've done a tax return so am unsure if they've hit the 21st century yet. Last time I did one it was via a downloaded program that would install itself in Windwoes. That as about 2003 IIRC.
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by MurphCID » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:32 am

Ugh, the Insertion of the Royal Shaft got me good this year. So much for upgrades, and pretty much any fun spending.

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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by Inundated » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:18 pm

BG405 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:08 pm
Inundated wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:28 pm
Taxes.
...
The "fillable form" requires, yes, requires, Adobe Acrobat Reader to do the automatic calculations before printing out the finished form. It doesn't work within Chrome.
I just tried it with Okular (after about 5 minutes fighting the "Captcha") & it didn't seem to work on that either, although I don't have the necessary details to fill in, not being a US resident. Might work with the correct details, though.

GB tax is "going digital" as well. I'll have to try one of the UK tax forms. If they, too, require Adobe the only options for those of us who are Windows-free (& don't have a Mac either) are a Windows virtual machine or, as you said, Wine. Or borrow a Windows machine or a Mac. Ugh. :evil:
The city does electronic filing, but will not let you do it unless you get a "Personal Filing Code" (generally sent in the mail right before tax season).

In this case, I had to have my now-old laptop with Windows 10 to use Adobe Acrobat to do it. My new/used laptop has a Windows 7 (yes, 7) partition. When Win 7 hits EOL next year, I'll probably reclaim that space...
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by [rua] » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:32 pm

It's been said already but to repeat, "noob" - man, do I dislike that term. So derogatory. So L33T 90s!

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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by BG405 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:17 pm

[rua] wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:32 pm
It's been said already but to repeat, "noob" - man, do I dislike that term. So derogatory. So L33T 90s!
Maybe, but I don't think so, at least not on here. The term is used loosely & is often cited by people new on here calling themselves "noobs". I don't see what is wrong with being new to something & there's definitely something going right if Linux is actually attracting more "noobs".

The attitude on other fora may differ .. but generally, probably not by very much.

There are a number of terms used in the English language which have been considered derogatory by some, at various points in history, but certainly not by all. Best to just disregard any perceived negative connotations, if not explicity negative, of course. I've seen a number of instances on here where stuff gets misinterpreted. It usually isn't meant to be derogatory, as far as I can tell. :)
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Re: What sends noobs running back to Windows?

Post by MurphCID » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:40 am

BG405 wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:17 pm
[rua] wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:32 pm
It's been said already but to repeat, "noob" - man, do I dislike that term. So derogatory. So L33T 90s!
Maybe, but I don't think so, at least not on here. The term is used loosely & is often cited by people new on here calling themselves "noobs". I don't see what is wrong with being new to something & there's definitely something going right if Linux is actually attracting more "noobs".

The attitude on other fora may differ .. but generally, probably not by very much.

There are a number of terms used in the English language which have been considered derogatory by some, at various points in history, but certainly not by all. Best to just disregard any perceived negative connotations, if not explicity negative, of course. I've seen a number of instances on here where stuff gets misinterpreted. It usually isn't meant to be derogatory, as far as I can tell. :)
Noob dosn't bother me, terms like "RTFM". "Luser", and L33t bother me.

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