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shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:40 pm

Hi
this laptop has become very unstable after using a fake power supply,
So getting another
its got that horrible winblows 10 on it.
Can the partition be shrunk right down to say 10 GB , to leave the rest for installing Mint
or is it nuke win10 and use the whole partion. I do rarely get s/w that will only run in winblows

like my stupid ip cam which runs on linux , and the dozy *********s went and put a dll in the web interface so it wont set up without IE8

The dosy *********s also left the back door open with a hard coded password, so most can be set up on the CL via telnet :)

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by phd21 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:24 pm

Hi richard-g8jvm,
richard-g8jvm wrote:Can the partition be shrunk right down to say 10 GB , to leave the rest for installing Mint
or is it nuke win10 and use the whole partition. I do rarely get s/w that will only run in winblows
Anyone can easily shrink or increase a drive's partition using any of the bootable partition managers like "gparted live", "Linux Mint installation DVD or USB stick with gparted, MiniTool Partition Wizard, etc...

short video tutorial on gparted
https://youtu.be/GR_3aP-sXr4
richard-g8jvm wrote:like my stupid ip cam which runs on linux , and the dozy *********s went and put a dll in the web interface so it wont set up without IE8. The dosy *********s also left the back door open with a hard coded password, so most can be set up on the CL via telnet :) Richard
I do not understand these comments? You should be able to access the IP webcam's interface using any browser. If for some reason the IP webcam's interface requires IE or Edge browsers, install a "user agent switcher" in your current browser and set it to IE or Edge before accessing the IP webcam. You may also be able to update the IP webcam's software (firmware).

User-Agent Switcher :: MyBrowserAddon
https://mybrowseraddon.com/useragent-switcher.html

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User-Agent Switcher - Chrome Web Store
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Hope this helps ...
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:32 pm

thanks
Not the answer I wanted
FACT agent switcher does not on Zmodo ip cams as there is an embedded win executable
FACT
I give , it wasn't read in trhge first place

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by phd21 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:54 pm

Hi richard-g8jvm,

You are welcome...

You can also install the actual MS IE browser in Linux Wine or through Play On Linux, if you want to or have to do that.

Install Play On Linux (POL) from the "Synaptic Package Manager (SPM)" and perhaps anything related to that, then install Internet Explorer through POL.

How to Install and Use Windows Applications on Linux using PlayOnLinux
https://vitux.com/how-to-install-and-us ... ayonlinux/

Newer POL
Downloads - PlayOnLinux - Run your Windows applications on Linux easily!
- Linux Mint 19.x is based on Ubuntu 18.04 bionic and Linux Mint 18.x is based on Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html

Home - PlayOnLinux - Run your Windows applications on Linux easily!
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/

Zmodo User Manual
http://www.zmodo.com/media/downloader/Z ... Manual.pdf

Zmodo Knowledge Base - Setting WiFi connection with wireless IP Cameras
http://kb.zmodo.com/index.php?solution_id=1094

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Ubuntu - WineHQ Wiki
https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu

How to install Wine 4.0 on Ubuntu 18.04 & Linux Mint 19 | FOSS Linux
* Note: if you cannot install wine stable then install wine development or wine staging
https://www.fosslinux.com/6138/how-to-i ... int-19.htm

Install Linux Wine and various Ms Windows applications in that including Internet Explorer
How to Install Blizzard Battle.net App on Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver Linux - LinuxConfig.org
https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install- ... aver-linux


Hope this helps ...
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PlayOnLinux (POL) - Internet Explorer
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by TI58C » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:52 pm

Hi richard_g8jvm,

You asked about shrinking win10 partition.

phd21 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:24 pm
Hi richard-g8jvm,
richard-g8jvm wrote:Can the partition be shrunk right down to say 10 GB , to leave the rest for installing Mint
or is it nuke win10 and use the whole partition. I do rarely get s/w that will only run in winblows
Anyone can easily shrink or increase a drive's partition using any of the bootable partition managers like "gparted live", "Linux Mint installation DVD or USB stick with gparted, MiniTool Partition Wizard, etc...

short video tutorial on gparted
https://youtu.be/GR_3aP-sXr4
Be aware that win10 needs a hell of a lot of space, especially when updating. A 10G win10 partition will probably be very uncomfortable if it works at all. If you have enough free space, I would advise leaving 100G for win10.

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:55 pm

Thanks an answer that was useful.

I've use gparted many times ,. I'm also aware there are a few traps to watch out for when shrinking win partitions
if win10 needs 100GB , i've got a big problem as the SSHD is only 243 GB
Whats the min size that win 10 will go down to and still work ?
I've got 168 GB of files in my /home dir on this laptop which it replacing
I can trim that down a bit wth external storage ,

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by arvy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:19 pm

According to Microsoft, installing the 32-bit version of Windows 10 requires at least 16GB, while the 64-bit version requires 20GB minimum. But that makes no allowance whatever for other applications and user data. It is possible, but not trivial, to point both AppData and UserData elsewhere during installation. I've done it once, but wouldn't care to repeat the exercise anytime soon. It may be worth noting, however, that W10 is capable of using links, both hard and symbolic.
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:32 am

Thanks , I'll allow it the odd 43 GB , which will leave 200 GB for LM

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by Pierre » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:43 am

richard-g8jvm wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:32 am
Thanks , I'll allow it the odd 43 GB , which will leave 200 GB for LM
that's most likely, the better option, as you'd not wish to go too low,
as it sure will get upset .. an 50Gb size, would be nice,, but 43Gb is probably close enough.
:)

NB: you really should use the Windows Disk Management:
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-open-di ... nt-2626080
to actually shrink the C: drive back & to create that vacant space,, for your Linux Installation.
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by TI58C » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:09 am

@pierre,

Go ahead, do what you must. Personal experience: hp probook 6730b dual boot win10 /mint 17.3 mate. Gave win10 64 G. Worked for a while, then crashed during update, necessitating new win10 install, then repairing grub..... Wish you a lot of fun...

Something to remember abyway: Microsoft DOES NOT respect your mint install. Be prepared to do some repair work after win10 updates/upgrades.

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by deepakdeshp » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:15 am

MS updates are known to nuke installed Mint. Do beware of connecting Windows to the net.
And when playing with partitions please remember to backup ALL your data.
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:51 am

Thanks for the heads up
I haven't use windows on a primary partition for many years,, its normally imprisioned in a VM
There is just one application which need win, and that also is critical on using the usb ports to work, so as the new laptop has by default win 10 installed
I might as wel just use it for that only. But if a certain frenchman every decides to release the source code for the s/w for his satellite receiver, win 10 will go in the bin,, beautiful poetry :)
I'll see if i can find a way of turning the updates off, if it will do as told.

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by Mark Phelps » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:28 am

There really isn't any way of RELIABLY disabling Windows Update in Win10 like there was in Win7. You can force the Metered Updates parm on, but still does not disable "critical" updates -- they come through anyway.

Plus with the new 1903 release of Win10, it reserves 7GB (or so) of disk space for "updates", so that gives you even less space to work with now.

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:26 pm

Thanks , no wonder they call it bloatware

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by arvy » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:44 pm

You ain't seen nuthin' yet. Wait 'til its latest winre.wim image file outgrows the existing recovery partition space and decides that it needs to add a new larger primary partition for itself on your main drive.

But ... but ... it has such a pretty user interface. :evil:
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:50 pm

is there any known way of making the rest of a hard drive toxic to win 10 so it wont try formatting it to what ever it wants,
Might just be safer to nuke it and run a proper OS on the whole drive
I've been windows free for nearly 10 years, apart from the odd bit within a VM to try out odd bits of software.

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by arvy » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:38 pm

As Mark Phelps said, the end user's control over Windows updating stops far short of any known (to me at least) and reliable way of disabling it completely. That is unless you totally deprive Microsoft's servers of internet access to your machine. And, if it can self-update in any way at all, its so-called "trusted installer" can do pretty much anything it wants, even including some things that can't be done with NT Authority SYSTEM permissions. That definitely includes repartitioning and EFI System Partition (ESP) modifications.

I still run Windows 10 along with LM 19.1 and some other things, but only with complete segregation on separate physical drives each bootable completely independent of the other. (I use so-called "legacy" BIOS-MBR booting for that reason among others.) Even so, I consider frequent multiple full system backup images to be an absolutely essential form of self-preservation. MS simply cannot be relied upon not to mess things up sooner or later if it possibly can.
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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:58 pm

OK all noted
very difficult to stop access to its servers if it makes the initial contact.
I may be able to stop access to all but a couple of ports with parential permissions on the router.
But that would require different ip addresses for each OS, which is straight forward any way.
maybe force it to use a external VPN, which would stop anything outside to making contact.

Nuking may be the safest option

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by richard-g8jvm » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:40 am

I've just been having a right ding dong with Dell

"if you put linux on the laptop your warranty is void "
They have now backed down on that statement
To put it in diplomatic terms the discussion was robust

I will just make a back up image of win10 and shove on a external HD used for back up.

There is not a smilely showing steam venting fom the ears :twisted:

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Re: shrinking win10

Post by TI58C » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:31 pm

richard-g8jvm wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:40 am
I've just been having a right ding dong with Dell

"if you put linux on the laptop your warranty is void "
They have now backed down on that statement
To put it in diplomatic terms the discussion was robust

I will just make a back up image of win10 and shove on a external HD used for back up.

There is not a smilely showing steam venting fom the ears :twisted:
Yeah, know exactly what you mean...Sometimes you need a cold shower to cool down...
Linux is still discriminated against. By hw-vendors, shops, my ISP (no support if linux), some banks etc.. Have "blown my top also".

But does not help. Go on breathing and enjoy the smell of mint. I still say it is superior compared to windhoze


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