Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
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Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Samsung 840 EVO 1TB, Late 2014.
(Link is a cropped screen shot of SMART test output from Disks)
https://i.imgur.com/u61PNCo.png
What does "Pre-Fail" mean? That it has, or that if anything is there, the drive should be replaced? Etc.
Thanks!
(Link is a cropped screen shot of SMART test output from Disks)
https://i.imgur.com/u61PNCo.png
What does "Pre-Fail" mean? That it has, or that if anything is there, the drive should be replaced? Etc.
Thanks!
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Pre-Fail is just the type of that attribute, not of the value of the attribute.
It says it failed in the past, so a reserved block was used. I'm guessing but I think that means a block on your SSD went bad or exceeded its write limits, and was swapped out for a fresh block from the spare (reserved) area. As I understand it SMART results are just risk indicators. It doesn't indicate imminent failure.
That said, you should always have a backup regimen in place because disks can also fail suddenly and without prior notice. So double check you have good backups and make them regularly. Ideally make backups to a device not in the same computer and/or not in your home.
Warranty is already expired on the disk. You could consider replacing it now but if you have good backups and can sleep on it, perhaps save the SMART results and re-examine them weekly for the next month and see if any change?
It says it failed in the past, so a reserved block was used. I'm guessing but I think that means a block on your SSD went bad or exceeded its write limits, and was swapped out for a fresh block from the spare (reserved) area. As I understand it SMART results are just risk indicators. It doesn't indicate imminent failure.
That said, you should always have a backup regimen in place because disks can also fail suddenly and without prior notice. So double check you have good backups and make them regularly. Ideally make backups to a device not in the same computer and/or not in your home.
Warranty is already expired on the disk. You could consider replacing it now but if you have good backups and can sleep on it, perhaps save the SMART results and re-examine them weekly for the next month and see if any change?
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Yeah, I'm still trying to understand Timeshift, as far as backups. I want an automatic way to back up the complete contents (home for all users and programs, etc) on my main 1 TB SSD, plus the entire contents of my 4 TB data drive, all compressed and put on my 8 TB backup drive. I had that running using Windows 7 backup, but... Timeshift somehow ran (after I think I included everything) and said that a data drive with over 2 TB used, plus all my user files took up maybe 0.5 TB.
Because of that, I think I did it wrong.
Because of that, I think I did it wrong.
Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
My rationale is SSDs are great for the OS (I use a small one for just that) and conventional drives for Data. That way if the SSD fall over in a big way (with little warning) you don't lose much. At least with magnetic media, you get some warning of imminent failure so you can back up the stuff that has occurred since your previous backup.
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Timeshift is not meant as a backup device for personal data.SweetBearCub wrote: ⤴Mon May 27, 2019 5:06 pm I had that running using Windows 7 backup, but... Timeshift somehow ran (after I think I included everything) and said that a data drive with over 2 TB used, plus all my user files took up maybe 0.5 TB.
Have a look at BackInTime, Luckbackup, Deja-dub for data backup routines, or something like Clonezilla to just copy everything - system & data.
Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
I think that's bad advice as it's mostly magnetic drives that fail suddenly and without prior notice. About 2 in 5 magnetic drives that fail do so without showing anything amiss in SMART.lsemmens wrote: ⤴Tue May 28, 2019 12:06 am My rationale is SSDs are great for the OS (I use a small one for just that) and conventional drives for Data. That way if the SSD fall over in a big way (with little warning) you don't lose much. At least with magnetic media, you get some warning of imminent failure so you can back up the stuff that has occurred since your previous backup.
Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
True, but there's some SSDs out there where the firmware has a hard-fail condition based on SMART data. Basically if the drives lives longer than they want it to or starts accumulating a certain number of relocates the firmware shuts it down permanently. Luckily not many of them do that.xenopeek wrote: ⤴Mon May 27, 2019 4:41 pm It says it failed in the past, so a reserved block was used. I'm guessing but I think that means a block on your SSD went bad or exceeded its write limits, and was swapped out for a fresh block from the spare (reserved) area. As I understand it SMART results are just risk indicators. It doesn't indicate imminent failure.
Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Interesting, that has not been my experience at all. I've still got a pile of old 80Gb drives, some of which are still in service. The only reason I ever pension them off is when they are too small to do a job any more, or I need room for a bigger drive in my system.xenopeek wrote: ⤴Tue May 28, 2019 1:33 amI think that's bad advice as it's mostly magnetic drives that fail suddenly and without prior notice. About 2 in 5 magnetic drives that fail do so without showing anything amiss in SMART.lsemmens wrote: ⤴Tue May 28, 2019 12:06 am My rationale is SSDs are great for the OS (I use a small one for just that) and conventional drives for Data. That way if the SSD fall over in a big way (with little warning) you don't lose much. At least with magnetic media, you get some warning of imminent failure so you can back up the stuff that has occurred since your previous backup.
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Are you trying to say that the SMART failure in my drive should be something to worry about, or not?
Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Sorry, that was a reply to lsemmens. That link is about magnetic drives, not SSDs, where it shows that SMART is not reliable early indicator for drive failure (making argument again for backups).
Personally I'd not throw the SSD away for this one warning. I'd do what I said earlier; ensure good backups and monitor SMART results for change for say a month. If no numbers worsen I'd assume it a one-off. If numbers worsen, replace it. If you can't sleep on that, replace it now.
Personally I'd not throw the SSD away for this one warning. I'd do what I said earlier; ensure good backups and monitor SMART results for change for say a month. If no numbers worsen I'd assume it a one-off. If numbers worsen, replace it. If you can't sleep on that, replace it now.
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
I have another thread going where I laid out my backup needs and asked for recommendations. Take a look. viewtopic.php?p=1639468xenopeek wrote: ⤴Wed May 29, 2019 3:29 am Sorry, that was a reply to lsemmens. That link is about magnetic drives, not SSDs, where it shows that SMART is not reliable early indicator for drive failure (making argument again for backups).
Personally I'd not throw the SSD away for this one warning. I'd do what I said earlier; ensure good backups and monitor SMART results for change for say a month. If no numbers worsen I'd assume it a one-off. If numbers worsen, replace it. If you can't sleep on that, replace it now.
On Windows 7, I made good use of the included system image and file backups tool.
Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Sorry, I caused a slight Thread drift, with my mechanical drive comments. If a mechanical drive fails (mechanically - which is possible) there are methods (not necessarily cheap) whereby you can recover data. I'm not so certain with SSDs, unless, of course you are handy with a soldering iron (tongue firmly planted in cheek)
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Just an FYI,
My Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB has been showing the same warning for over 2 years (more than half it's life).
As far as I know, the attribute to be worried about with these SSD's is #177 the Wear Leveling Count. Your's looks better that mine in this regard.
My Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB has been showing the same warning for over 2 years (more than half it's life).
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SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000 Old_age Always - 48813
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 303
177 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0013 096 096 000 Pre-fail Always - 43
179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 100 001 010 Pre-fail Always In_the_past 0
181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0
182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0
183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0013 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0
187 Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032 051 040 000 Old_age Always - 49
195 ECC_Error_Rate 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
199 CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
235 POR_Recovery_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 257
241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 24887882453
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Re: Is my SSD going bad, or is this normal for its age?
Thanks. I guess I'll try not to worry too much, and keep looking for a backup solution that suits my needs.
greerd wrote: ⤴Wed May 29, 2019 6:02 am Just an FYI,
My Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB has been showing the same warning for over 2 years (more than half it's life).As far as I know, the attribute to be worried about with these SSD's is #177 the Wear Leveling Count. Your's looks better that mine in this regard.Code: Select all
... SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000 Old_age Always - 48813 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 303 177 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0013 096 096 000 Pre-fail Always - 43 179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 100 001 010 Pre-fail Always In_the_past 0 181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0 182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0013 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always - 0 187 Uncorrectable_Error_Cnt 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032 051 040 000 Old_age Always - 49 195 ECC_Error_Rate 0x001a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 199 CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 235 POR_Recovery_Count 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 257 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 24887882453 ...