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Re: "Linux Mint Turns Cinnamon Experience Bittersweet"

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Re: "Linux Mint Turns Cinnamon Experience Bittersweet"

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Well.... half this thread kinda proves many of his points....

People getting high on old horses and protecting fickle non-maidens.

Is it so hard to think that maybe he simply never thought of checking swappyness because of an (very logical) assumption that it would already have been set to the most optimal level? And then there are insults thrown and his integrity questioned because he claims to actually have gotten libreoffice to load faster? Seems like a bad case of "daddy can't be wrong" syndrome and the kiddies irrationally attacking anyone with criticism.

Context is important here, since he obviously writes about everything and is as such a jack of all trades..... why the expectation that he knows ALL the intimate ins and outs of ALL systems? He has quite clearly shown a openness to learning and admitting his deficiencies or where he was wrong, a level of humility in short supply it seems.

His conclusions were in many cases rather spot on and he never named names, he shone light on semi-systemic community problems and was proven correct by the reactionary scorn in both that and this thread.

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Re: "Linux Mint Turns Cinnamon Experience Bittersweet"

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rambo919 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:53 am
Context is important here, since he obviously writes about everything and is as such a jack of all trades..... why the expectation that he knows ALL the intimate ins and outs of ALL systems? He has quite clearly shown a openness to learning and admitting his deficiencies or where he was wrong, a level of humility in short supply it seems.

His conclusions were in many cases rather spot on and he never named names, he shone light on semi-systemic community problems and was proven correct by the reactionary scorn in both that and this thread.
I will point out that neither of those threads were created by him and he never asked for help here with the issues he claims to be experiencing - instead he chose to attribute them to the distribution as a whole on his blog without (seemingly) further research. It's that part which draws the reaction - and I still stand by mine but disagree about a "semi-systemic community problem", you don't see us blasting users here looking to actually fix their issues.
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Re: "Linux Mint Turns Cinnamon Experience Bittersweet"

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gm10 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:00 am
I will point out that neither of those threads were created by him and he never asked for help here with the issues he claims to be experiencing - instead he chose to attribute them to the distribution as a whole on his blog without (seemingly) further research. It's that part which draws the reaction - and I still stand by mine but disagree about a "semi-systemic community problem", you don't see us blasting users here looking to actually fix their issues.
True but many responses to him were either "superior snide" or outrightly hostile including accusations of stupidity, hardly signs of good faith. This is easily repeatable and I have witnessed it countless times over the years on this forum.

When he commented on the distribution he did so by focussing on it in isolation which is how anyone would comment on a distro, if you keep shifting blame either up or downstream you are generally being dishonest after a while. He also generally focussed on out of the box comments and his general intended audience might just be non-fiddle users, for those users his comments are completely valid.... even I get nervous as soon as 5 (for the sake of argument) commands are needed to alter something as seemingly simple as a swap file.

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Re: "Linux Mint Turns Cinnamon Experience Bittersweet"

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rambo919 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:24 am
When he commented on the distribution he did so by focussing on it in isolation which is how anyone would comment on a distro, if you keep shifting blame either up or downstream you are generally being dishonest after a while. He also generally focussed on out of the box comments and his general intended audience might just be non-fiddle users, for those users his comments are completely valid.... even I get nervous as soon as 5 (for the sake of argument) commands are needed to alter something as seemingly simple as a swap file.
And I agree with all of that. "You cannot blame upstream because you chose to use upstream" is something I said more than once to the Mint dev team, and despite clearly not being adverse to tinkering myself, I do have quite strong opinions about how the user experience should be tailored to those that are.

Also I don't judge people for their opinions - my problem with him are only with those statements of alleged fact that clearly don't pass the smell test.
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Re: "Linux Mint Turns Cinnamon Experience Bittersweet"

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gm10 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:42 am
And I agree with all of that. "You cannot blame upstream because you chose to use upstream" is something I said more than once to the Mint dev team, and despite clearly not being adverse to tinkering myself, I do have quite strong opinions about how the user experience should be tailored to those that are.

Also I don't judge people for their opinions - my problem with him are only with those statements of alleged fact that clearly don't pass the smell test.
Fair enough.

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I was rather suprised by his blog complaining about cinnamon and libraoffice performance in 19.1. I felt 19.0 was mostly an upgrade from 17.3 and that 19.1 was far better than 19.0. Definitely better and snappier. Perhaps gm10's comments are appropriate in my case in that with decent memory, mb, disk space such issues aren't seen and no swap tweaks needed. I currently have LM19.1 cinnamon on two home computers+ xfce on one, two at work, several on friends computers with various desktops and I don't find it subjectively slower than windows7 or 10 where I can compare on same hardware via dual boot or just similar hardware. So I wonder if the author was just piling onto Clem's blog about open software from last month. It really didn't come across as correct at all. So it kind of pissed me off too

I am a lot better at ms office apps than libra so I do prefer office but thats a separate thing.
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