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Advice on partition and data storage

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I have just installed a Samsung 256GB 830 SSD on my media PC. This is replacing my older existing Samsung 128gb SSD. I cloned from the old SSD using CZ and now have the distro working fine on the Samsung 830. This is formatted as a 128gb partition with 128gb unallocated. I have been reading about some users putting videos and photos on another drive. How do I set this up to have my pictures and videos as placed on the 128gb drive as /home/user/Pictures and /home/user/Videos? I am mainly using this machine as a media machine to look at pictures and videoa direct to my big screen TV.

I am also wondering what to do with the 128gb unallocated space on my 256gb distro SSD; do I extend the drive to use its full capacity or use it for something else. Would appreciate any advice regarding this.
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Re: Advice on partition and data storage

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Open gparted and unmount the unallocated partition(if it shows as mounted)
Right click that partition and format to ext4. Name it whatever you like and click the apply arrow up top.
You can add whatever files you like. I named mine DATA (60 gig) and store pics and music over 20 years
All those goodies can get put on a USB stick(earlier was a dvd or external spin drive) for use elsewhere or a main hard drive fail.Many do a /home partition on installation but I never saw a need between sync and having a Dropbox account.
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Re: Advice on partition and data storage

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muffybean wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:53 pm
How do I set this up to have my pictures and videos as placed on the 128gb drive as /home/user/Pictures and /home/user/Videos? I am mainly using this machine as a media machine to look at pictures and videoa direct to my big screen TV.
Not sure whether you are talking about re-purposing the 128G SSD or using the unallocated space on the 256G SSD?

If the 128G SSD, use gparted to delete the existing partitions on it and create two new partitions for pictures and videos. Suggest ext4 and also suggest you add labels, e.g. pictures, video.

To mount them as /home/user/Pictures and /home/user/Videos you need to edit your fstab file. This lives in /etc. Open up the file manager, navigate to / and then right click on /etc and open as root. You can then scroll down and double click on fstab to edit it.

This is what mine looks like:

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# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>

UUID=c073eb56-b3ae-4641-ad35-b2c49bfa74de	/	ext4	errors=remount-ro	0	1
UUID=95cc8b9f-d95d-4bbb-918e-56f36856b1b6	/home	ext4	defaults	0	2
//diskstation.local/home/	/media/synology	cifs	credentials=/etc/samba/credentials,uid=1000,gid=1000	0	0
UUID=f049c973-29d4-4c2d-8b4f-82ce86b81c29	none	swap	sw	0	0
#mount point for backup HDD in ultrabay
UUID=fb689910-e942-46e1-b03d-e7032e0e36bb	/media/Ultrabay	ext4	defaults,nofail	0	2
You need to add two lines at the bottom, one for pictures and the other for video, similar to the line I've added for the ultrabay.
You find out the UUIDs for the partitions you created by typing blkid in a terminal.
The lines you want to add will look something like:

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UUID=fb689910-e942-46e1-b03d-e7032e0e36bb	/home/user/Videos	        ext4	defaults	0	2
UUID=fb689910-e942-46e1-b03d-e7032e0e36bb	/home/user/Pictures 	ext4	defaults	0	2
For each line, replace the UUID with the ones you got from blkid and change user to your username. The entries assume you formatted your new partitions ext4.

Before you start, right click on fstab and copy then paste, it will create fstab (copy). If you mess up and mint won't boot you can boot your mint installation usb and in the file manager navigate to /etc on your system, delete fstab and rename fstab (copy) to fstab.
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Not sure whether you are talking about re-purposing the 128G SSD or using the unallocated space on the 256G SSD?

If the 128G SSD, use gparted to delete the existing partitions on it and create two new partitions for pictures and videos. Suggest ext4 and also suggest you add labels, e.g. pictures, video.
Hi Andy I am not really sure but the 256Gb Samsung 830 SSD is a lot newer than the 128gb Samsung PM871b but looking at the specs I cannot see much difference, maybe the 830 shades it. My initial plan was to use the newer 830 to replace the PM871b for the distro and using CZ the 830 comes out with just the same size when I cloned the PM871b, leaving 128gb unallocated. I was then going to use the older PM871b as backup medium for Timeshift snapshots and CZ images.

However I am in a quandary now as I wonder whether I should keep the smaller PM871b for the distro and use the 830 for videos, pictures and backups in three partitions. I assume I can say have one partition for each job;

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/home/user/Pictures
a second as

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/home/user/Videos
and a third partition as a backup all in ext4.

Regards space used for the distro (LM MATE) I only using 26.47gb so on either the 128gb partition or the smaller PM871b SSD there is 92.76gb spare, percentage wise that is 22% used, 78% unused. So I think to use the bigger drive for the distro is a bit wasteful. Think maybe use the larger 830 with 256gb as I mentioned above. Also, If I put the Pictures and Videos directories on the 830, I assume that will reduce the distro size even more. What do you think?
you need to edit your fstab file. This lives in /etc. Open up the file manager, navigate to / and then right click on /etc and open as root. You can then scroll down and double click on fstab to edit it.
Follow up, just looked at my backup PC and selected File System in File Manager and right clicked /etc and selected open as Administrator (assume that means root) but cannot see that fstab. Am I following the right direction?
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Re: Advice on partition and data storage

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Been doing some research on this Samsung PM871 SSD and I found out that it is a OEM SSD used by Dell for their PC's and it is OEM SSD based on the 850 Evo.
The 871 series is made by Samsung for Dell. A very fast, state of the Art Oem SSD. This model cannot be purchased at a retail store. They were removed from newer Dell Machines that received a storage capacity upgrades. These drives will do everything you ask of them at a lower price point than the best out there. A great deal for those of you looking for an upgrade and were thinking of the 850
So really it is no slouch, so basically Andy I think I will use the PM871 (128GB) SSD for the distro and the 256gb SSD for Pictures, Videos and backup along the lines that you said. However, not sure if I am looking in the right path for the FSTAB directory and still have to find that.
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Follow up, just looked at my backup PC and selected File System in File Manager and right clicked /etc and selected open as Administrator (assume that means root) but cannot see that fstab. Am I following the right direction?
Open as admin - yes. There is a lot in /etc, you need to scroll down a long way.
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Yes I found it Andy. Was looking at the folders instead of the files that were at the bottom. Regards my previous message, what do think about what I was suggesting? 128 Distro and 256 split into three partitions as suggested? I am happy to not partition the 128 SSD with the distro.
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Yes, that's fine, leave your existing 'system' 128G SSD alone and partition the new 256G SSD for pictures, videos and backup. Don't know if you boot legacy or UEFI, but I'd put a GPT partition table on the new drive (not that it makes much difference, legacy limits you to 4 primary partitions and you only want 3).
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Think this machine is Legacy and uses MBR as it is over ten years old.
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Hi Andy I have got my 128gb drive all setup with the distro as before and on the second, larger, 256gb drive I have three partitions ext4, 150gb for Videos, 50gb for Pictures and 56gb for Backups and all labled as such. Been tied up since mid-afternoon so have not been able to progress anymore today. The other half needed some jobs to be done. Off golfing in the morning but tomorrow afternoon hope to get back to this. Just to clarify regarding the fstab edit I will add the following to it.

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UUID=fb689910-e942-46e1-b03d-e7032e0e36bb	/home/user/Videos	        ext4	defaults	0	2
UUID=fb689910-e942-46e1-b03d-e7032e0e36bb	/home/user/Pictures 	ext4	defaults	0	2
UUID=fb689910-e942-46e1-b03d-e7032e0e36bb	/home/user/Backups	        ext4	defaults	0	2
Obviously I will change the UUID number that I determine in blkid command and replace it the one above along with the user name. Hope this is correct. How will these paths show up in file manager? Will they replace, in the case of Videos and Pictures, the current

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/home/user/Videos
and same for Pictures? And will a new folder be created as

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/home/user/Backups
appear in the

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/home/user/Backups
but all the locations being on the Samsung 256gb 830 SSD? Will check back in here tomorrow to see what you say; many thanks for all your help.
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Ahh... you're using two of the 'standard' folders, hadn't spotted that. I'm not sure what will happen. I do know if you delete them they will reappear on the next boot. Think smurphos posted recently on how to permanently get rid of them.

Choices:
  • Use different names for your new video and picture folders. You will be okay with Backups.
  • Remove anything you want to keep from from the Video and Picture folders and try it and see what happens.
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Re: Advice on partition and data storage

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AndyMH wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:30 pm
Ahh... you're using two of the 'standard' folders, hadn't spotted that. I'm not sure what will happen. I do know if you delete them they will reappear on the next boot. Think smurphos posted recently on how to permanently get rid of them.

Choices:
  • Use different names for your new video and picture folders. You will be okay with Backups.
  • Remove anything you want to keep from from the Video and Picture folders and try it and see what happens.
That is interesting, so what you are saying is unlike in Windows, where you can move folders like Videos, Documents, Downloads, etc to another drive to say protect this stuff against the distro drive being corrupted, you are not sure whether this will happen in Linux. I know you still have the folders present in the user folders in Windows but when moved their content goes to the new home if you say yes to it. As it is there is nothing in either folder on my Linux system, so I could try it but if it does not work, rename the new partitions on the 256gb SSD and edit fstab accordingly. However, off to golf now and will get back to this later. Do you have smurfos link to that post of his?
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Do you have smurfos link to that post of his?
Had a quick look, couldn't find it, but it was in response to some OP who was deleting those folders and they kept recreating themselves. If there is nothing in them you should be okay. I suspect if you did have files in say Videos and then used fstab to mount your partition to Videos, the existing files would be inaccessible.

Golf in this weather? Although I have played in snow - starter said the course was open but thought we were mad.
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Golf in this weather? Although I have played in snow - starter said the course was open but thought we were mad.

Yes that's what my wife said and we had everything today, snow, hail, rain, winds and sun! Came in with 37 points but only finished 4th out of 33, winner had 39 points and the last player 17 points and it was bloody hard out there! :roll: 8)

Will now work on the media PC.
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Something not right here. I found the UUID of the three partions, videos, Pictures and Backups and then opened FSTAB file as admin, added the three lines at the bottom to create this script.
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=9484e00e-3ec3-4549-989d-809aa651657b / ext4 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
/swapfile none swap sw 0 0
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
LABEL=MultiMedia /mnt/MultiMedia auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=USB-DRIVE /mnt/USB-DRIVE auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=2.6.4-10-amd64 /mnt/2.6.4-10-amd64 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Elements /mnt/Elements auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
/dev/disk/by-uuid/26046395046366B1 /mnt/26046395046366B1 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Backup-Drive /mnt/Backup-Drive auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Maxtor-External /mnt/Maxtor-External auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Samsung\040SSD\040SATA /mnt/Samsung\040SSD\040SATA auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Seagate-EXTERNAL /mnt/Seagate-EXTERNAL auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=INT-Seagate /mnt/INT-Seagate auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
UUID=060456d0-5097-46da-9cd0-5e1095da89ca /home/user/Videos ext4 defaults 0 2
UUID=904feb3e-7688-49ff-8039-f049c1c9b882 /home/user/Pictures ext4 defaults 0 2
UUID=2f09d4f2-5168-4aed-a79a-576798ee4e1b /home/user/Backups ext4 defaults 0 2
The original FSTAB I renamed as FSTAB-copy and this is it here.
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=9484e00e-3ec3-4549-989d-809aa651657b / ext4 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
/swapfile none swap sw 0 0
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
LABEL=MultiMedia /mnt/MultiMedia auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=USB-DRIVE /mnt/USB-DRIVE auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=2.6.4-10-amd64 /mnt/2.6.4-10-amd64 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Elements /mnt/Elements auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
/dev/disk/by-uuid/26046395046366B1 /mnt/26046395046366B1 auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Backup-Drive /mnt/Backup-Drive auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Maxtor-External /mnt/Maxtor-External auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Samsung\040SSD\040SATA /mnt/Samsung\040SSD\040SATA auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=Seagate-EXTERNAL /mnt/Seagate-EXTERNAL auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
LABEL=INT-Seagate /mnt/INT-Seagate auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
However When I completed this I got a message about not being ables to mount those partitions but they are on my desktop.
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Hold on Andy, just seen I left the user as user instead of veronica. Will amend that now.

Just done that and I did forget to save the stuff in Pictures and Videos but do have backups of the content. The last bit of fstab now looks like this.
UUID=060456d0-5097-46da-9cd0-5e1095da89ca /home/user/Videos ext4 defaults 0 2
UUID=904feb3e-7688-49ff-8039-f049c1c9b882 /home/user/Pictures ext4 defaults 0 2
UUID=2f09d4f2-5168-4aed-a79a-576798ee4e1b /home/user/Backups ext4 defaults 0 2
When I saved the amended fstab I got an error about not able to mount Backups. So proceeded and rebooted. Apart from losing my desktop background but have a copy of that too and a custom folder of File Browser all seemed well and Videos and Pictures are now shown in two places, under normal place in user folder and under devices. If I click on either Pictures or Videos under Devices the relevant folder in the user section above opens correctly. However, the Backups folder, although showing under Devices and on the desktop. is not showing under User. If I select veronica(user) the Backups folder is shown with a Lock on it and a text square at the right corner. What have I done wrong her?
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Here is a capture and I have some strange things happening as when I went to save the capture to my Pictures folder ksnip said unable to save file but that was because I'd set the default save folder as

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/home/veronica/Pictures/Captures/ksnip_$Y$M$D-$T.png
so will have to amend that. However, I was puzzled to see a lost&found folder in Pictures and do not know what that indicates.
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Apart from losing my desktop background
Suspect your desktop background was living in pictures? So when mint mounted your partition to Pictures it wasn't there any more. I created a separate folder, Backgrounds, and put my desktop backgrounds in it and then pointed mint at it. You might be better choosing a different mount point for your partition in fstab like /home/veronica/photos? You are getting those errors with ksnip because /home/veronica/Pictures/Captures doesn't exist when your partition mounts into the pictures folder. You see a 'lost + found' folder because mint creates that folder on every partition (it's owned by root).

Your last post still shows user as user in the fstab lines, should be veronica, which would explain most of your problems. Have you changed it?

This provides a reasonable explanation of fstab:
https://wiki.debian.org/fstab
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Your last post still shows user as user in the fstab lines, should be veronica, which would explain most of your problems. Have you changed it?
are you talking about ksnip store path, if so no not yet. However, why does the Backups folder not show on the list in user like Pictures and Videos?
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muffybean wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:12 pm
are you talking about ksnip store path, if so no not yet. However, why does the Backups folder not show on the list in user like Pictures and Videos?
ksnip, no, I was talking about this, where user was still user and not veronica

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UUID=060456d0-5097-46da-9cd0-5e1095da89ca /home/user/Videos ext4 defaults 0 2
UUID=904feb3e-7688-49ff-8039-f049c1c9b882 /home/user/Pictures ext4 defaults 0 2
UUID=2f09d4f2-5168-4aed-a79a-576798ee4e1b /home/user/Backups ext4 defaults 0 2
Backup folder - it's been a while since I did this, can't remember if you need to create an empty folder /home/veronica/Backups for fstab to mount into or if mint does it automatically for you. If it's not appearing in /home/veronica try creating it and then rebooting.
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