Intel can't take a trick...
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Intel can't take a trick...
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... -PRO-4750U
The lesser Ryzen 5 4500U, let alone the far better Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U, beats the pants of Intel's shiny new Core i7 1165G7. It seems the worm has turned and come back to bite them for their lack of innovation over the last 15 years.
The lesser Ryzen 5 4500U, let alone the far better Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U, beats the pants of Intel's shiny new Core i7 1165G7. It seems the worm has turned and come back to bite them for their lack of innovation over the last 15 years.
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Yep--I've gotta give up my Xeons someday.Kadaitcha Man wrote: ⤴Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:34 pm https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... -PRO-4750U
The lesser Ryzen 5 4500U, let alone the far better Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U, beats the pants of Intel's shiny new Core i7 1165G7. It seems the worm has turned and come back to bite them for their lack of innovation over the last 15 years.
I once had an executive-type relative at AMD that sent complimentary engineering samples--creme de la creme black editions. Back in the day I had one of the first 64bit processors east of the Rockies. Seems like I was getting chips every couple weeks---alas I couldn't keep abreast financially with motherboard/memory upgrades needed to use the latest/greatest.
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Luck you!
I suspect that the AM4 package, which is now the longest-lived package in history, will be replaced after the current 5000 Zen 3 series. It's been a great run, not having to swap out motherboards to keep up.all41 wrote:... alas I couldn't keep abreast financially with motherboard/memory upgrades needed to use the latest/greatest.
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
God willing I will do a Ryzen box soon--sure wish my little sis was still there though
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
I've got my eyes on a 5950X, which I want to marry to an existing 32GB of 4400MHz RAM and dual 5GB/s NVMe drives in RAID 0. I expect to get my LM 20 Cinnamon VM up and ready to roll in under 4 seconds. I will be exceedingly cheesed off if I miss out and can't get one for months.
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
May the force be with you on this.
When I can see my path developing I will be in touch
Cheers
When I can see my path developing I will be in touch
Cheers
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
The longevity of the boards for people wanting to upgrade their AM4 is only marginally better than Intel's tick-tock approach. While the socket hasn't changed the chipset specifications did. The first generation boards had much smaller eeprom, so were already limited by that even when Zen2 came out. AMD increased the size of eeprom chips in their reference design for subsequent chipset generations.
I would have to swap out my AM4 board to use a Zen3 because it's a 1st generation board. The last processor series my board will support is the Zen2 up to the XT models which to be fair are already potent enough. Going back to the eeprom issue, even adding support for those cut down the EFI interface to a light version that looks like legacy BIOS instead of having a GUI with dials and graphs and removed support for some low end Zen models.
Also regarding the boot up speed, I get this bare metal from my old AM1 Athlon 5350 already:
I would have to swap out my AM4 board to use a Zen3 because it's a 1st generation board. The last processor series my board will support is the Zen2 up to the XT models which to be fair are already potent enough. Going back to the eeprom issue, even adding support for those cut down the EFI interface to a light version that looks like legacy BIOS instead of having a GUI with dials and graphs and removed support for some low end Zen models.
Also regarding the boot up speed, I get this bare metal from my old AM1 Athlon 5350 already:
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michael@aures:~$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 4.906s (kernel) + 2.515s (userspace) = 7.422s
graphical.target reached after 2.492s in userspace
I’ll tell you a DNS joke but be advised, it could take up to 24 hours for everyone to get it.
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Im getting this from my old i5 with 8 gigs ram and Asus mother board with SSD, that i built myself 4 yrs ago...DAMIEN
damien@damien ~ $ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 1.736s (kernel) + 2.587s (userspace) = 4.324s
graphical.target reached after 2.582s in userspace
damien@damien ~ $
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Some machines seems to boot far faster than much of the high-end kit. Odd.DAMIEN1307 wrote: ⤴Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:53 am Im getting this from my old i5 with 8 gigs ram and Asus mother board with SSD that i built myself 4 yrs ago...DAMIEN
damien@damien ~ $ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 1.736s (kernel) + 2.587s (userspace) = 4.324s
graphical.target reached after 2.582s in userspace
damien@damien ~ $
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
those of using Laptops are stuck with what came in the box.
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systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 4.518s (firmware) + 2.621s (loader) + 4.442s (kernel) + 8.224s (userspace) = 19.807s
graphical.target reached after 7.447s in userspace
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System: Host: FX705GM Kernel: 5.4.0-52-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic
Machine: Type: Laptop System: ASUSTeK product: TUF Gaming FX705GM_FX705GM v: 1.0
serial: <filter>
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: FX705GM v: 1.0 serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends
v: FX705GM.307 date: 05/25/2020
Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 58.0 Wh condition: 58.0/64.1 Wh (90%) volts: 16.5/15.6
model: Simplo SDI ICR18650 serial: <filter> status: Full
Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M510 serial: <filter>
charge: 55% status: Discharging
CPU: Topology: 6-Core model: Intel Core i7-8750H bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Kaby Lake
rev: A L2 cache: 9216 KiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 52799
Speed: 3968 MHz min/max: 800/4100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 3960 2: 3993 3: 3969
4: 3998 5: 3992 6: 4000 7: 3999 8: 3959 9: 3969 10: 3965 11: 3996 12: 3998
Graphics: Device-1: Intel vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0
chip ID: 8086:3e9b
Device-2: NVIDIA GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nvidia
v: 440.95.01 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1c20
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: modesetting,nvidia
unloaded: fbdev,nouveau,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1060/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 440.95.01
direct render: Yes
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
To be more concise, the motherboard im using is,Some machines seems to boot far faster than much of the high-end kit. Odd.
The CPU is an i5-4460 @ 3.20 GHZ, 4X 3400MHZ. quad core.Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Product Name: H81M-A
An off brand "SPCC" SSD 256 gig.
8 gigs of Corsair Vengence ram.
Nothing really special in way of parts i had salvaged and had laying around, It not only boots fast and is immediately usable, but everything it does seems faster than i can blink...its just super fast is all...DAMIEN
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Just as an edit to my last post...it was even faster before all those microcode mitigations a couple of years ago...systemd-analyze back then was
Startup finished ....... = 2.732s, so i guess those mitigations back then did have some impact, though very little when put into perspective...DAMIEN
Startup finished ....... = 2.732s, so i guess those mitigations back then did have some impact, though very little when put into perspective...DAMIEN
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
On the subject of faster: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.htmlDAMIEN1307 wrote: ⤴Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:51 am Just as an edit to my last post...it was even faster ...
Intel's top of the line, $US600+ desktop CPU and its Xeon W-1290P top of the line server CPU have both been officially blown into the weeds by AMD's lowly and lowest end, US$299 5600X CPU, and by a very comfortable margin. To make matters worse for Intel, the top end AMD 5950X has not only beaten both the Core i9-10900K and Xeon W-1290P to a collective pulp, it has ground the pulp into the dirt and buried the stain under a mountain of rubble.
The vultures will be circling shortly.
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Can't find that for sale--is it even better than AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core, 64-Thread UnlockedKadaitcha Man wrote: ⤴Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:51 amI've got my eyes on a 5950X, which I want to marry to an existing 32GB of 4400MHz RAM and dual 5GB/s NVMe drives in RAID 0. I expect to get my LM 20 Cinnamon VM up and ready to roll in under 4 seconds. I will be exceedingly cheesed off if I miss out and can't get one for months.
at 1800usd
Wow some spend more than that on a graphics card
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
The 5000 series will be released next Thursday. They aren't available for sale yet. As for the threadripper, the current threadripper series stomps all over the 5000 series in multi-core performance but the 5000 series has a major advantage in single-core performance.
https://gadgetversus.com/processor/amd- ... per-3970x/
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Im just happy with what i got from my spare parts bin and my ability to build my own...I couldnt afford to go out and buy the newest...Ooo SHINEY...The speed ive got works just fine for me...DAMIEN
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Me too DAMIEN--after thinking about it.DAMIEN1307 wrote: ⤴Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:48 am Im just happy with what i got from my spare parts bin and my ability to build my own...I couldnt afford to go out and buy the newest...Ooo SHINEY...The speed ive got works just fine for me...DAMIEN
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
Yep...just being thrifty, frugal, and practical,...just a fancy way of saying old, retired, on social security, and perpetually dead butt broke...lol...DAMIENMe too DAMIEN--after thinking about it.
Re: Intel can't take a trick...
I prefer thrifty, frugal, and practicalDAMIEN1307 wrote: ⤴Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:02 amYep...just being thrifty, frugal, and practical,...just a fancy way of saying old, retired, on social security, and perpetually dead butt broke...lol...DAMIENMe too DAMIEN--after thinking about it.
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Re: Intel can't take a trick...
I dont think anyone did...DAMIENI hope no one took it seriously.