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Timeshift PPAs, a mess?

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Hi,

Two PPAs are available for Timeshift:
- "Latest release of Timeshift", https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+arch ... timeshift/
- "Daily builds of Timeshift from https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift", https://code.launchpad.net/~teejee2008/ ... hift-daily

It seems that both PPAs have the same versions of Timeshift, and are updated very often (sometimes several updates a week):
- For Linux Mint 20.x / Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: timeshift-22.11.2-0~202304182349~ubuntu20.04.1
- For Linux Mint 21.x / Ubuntu 22.04 LTS: timeshift-22.11.2-0~202304182349~ubuntu22.04.1

This is in contradiction with the description of "Latest release of Timeshift": user reading this should expect to find only releases on this PPA, not daily builds.

Moreover, on Linux Mint timeshift releases, https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift/releases, the release version changes almost daily (latest release is dated on yesterday, 2023-04-19).

It seems that, after any commit, the corresponding version is called "release", made available on GitHub (source and Linux Mint 21 package), then pushed to both PPAs.

So, are the so-called "releases" real ones or just development steps?

If the so-called releases are just developments steps, in all the builds available on "Latest release of Timeshift" PPA (today 275 packages corresponding to successful builds, https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+arch ... tate=built), how to recognize the "true" releases?

Regards,

MN
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Don't bother with upstream packages. Take no chances with your snapshots. Simply stick to the tried-and-tested Timeshift version in the official Mint repos.
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The word "release" is actually misleading, but comes most likely from the Github tradition. Anyway you can use the compare function to find out, what changes had been done, e.g. fixing the distro name from LinuxMint to Linux Mint. Usually only of interest for those, who want to participate to the project. BTW: release != package
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Hi,

When "Latest release" PPA was managed by Tony George, it contained "official" releases and was used to update Timeshift.

Since it is managed by Linux Mint team, "Latest release" PPA contains some official releases (for old Ubuntu versions) and daily builds (for Ubuntu versions from 20.04)...

It's a mess!

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If you open the first link in your starting post, you see, that Tony George is still named as owner and maintainer of the project. On the same page top right is said (current time), that the last build had been created 16 hours ago. Every thinking human must assume, that this build is from Tony, but we know better. Yes, it is a mess!

We can assume, that Mint took the maintenance (also ownership?) for TS primarily for its own purpose, i.e. the own distro. All other consequences of the change are most likely forgotten to deal with.
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ALL PPAs are a hack and potentiallly a bit of a mess. I avoid them if at all possible.
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Stick to the one in the Ubuntu repos. It's current enough.

It's backup software not graphics drivers. Don't need bleeding edge.
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I second that.
What is wrong with the version that is already available by default.
Why a PPA?
Or two ...
Why worry about whether those are "a mess"?

If someone feels the need to use them (not just one, but both or even more ...)
they should know the reasoning behind that which is their own decision (not to use the default version) - should know what they are doing and dealing with ...
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Quit worrying about what is available "elsewhere"

just stay with our own MINT repository,
I have never, ever, had any untoward issues with Timeshift updates from Update Manager
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Hi,

This post is not criticizing Timeshift, but the way both PPAs and GitHub are now managed by Linux Mint team; these PPAs are used not only by Linux Mint users but also by Ubuntu ones.

Here is what is wrong with these PPAs:

- Formerly, one of the PPAs was for updates, one for daily builds; now daily builds are called releases and pushed to updates. Now, when you believe to install "Latest release" version of Timeshift, you in fact install a development version. And latest stable release of Timeshift, 22.06.5, is no longer available from the PPAs (it is just available for Linux Mint users from the repositories).

- Tony George still appears at the PPAs maintainer, while it is wrong (he is no longer involved in Timeshift development, he has archived his own Timeshift GitHub, and Timeshift development, including GitHub and PPAs is under the control of Linux Mint team).

And here is what is wrong with Linux Mint Timeshift GitHub:

- Only one release is available, called "latest", with source and package (for Mint 21 / Ubuntu 22.04), without any comment (is it a stable release? Is it a daily build?).

So, the way these PPAs are managed is now a mess, while they were correctly managed by Tony George.

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That makes no sense. No ordinary user should use the Timeshift PPAs anyway. They're only meant for the developers. Tant de bruit pour une omelette....
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MikeNovember wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:31 pm - Tony George still appears at the PPAs maintainer, while it is wrong (he is no longer involved in Timeshift development, he has archived his own Timeshift GitHub, and Timeshift development, including GitHub and PPAs is under the control of Linux Mint team).
This is especially crazy in your 3rd link in the starting post. Tony George is given there as the project owner. But on the same page is the title "linuxmint-timeshift-daily". The given ownership is old (and now wrong), the title cannot come from the time, when Tony was really the project owner.

And there is more: The readme file on the now archived repository of Tony George is from Oct 16, 2022 (https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift ... /README.md). So we can assume, when he finally ended his work for it.
But on the Launchpad-Site (3rd link in the starting post) is written, that it had been created by Tony George on 2022-11-27, more than 1 month later. How could this be possible? The date is most likely correct, but the named creator is not. There is wrong information given, and it helps not to say "ignore it". Why is the wrong information given? By whom?

This reminds me, that we had a discussion just yesterday regarding backing up and TS. And in my last reply I wrote 2 remarks, the second about the TS maintenance. Somehow the mess regarding the ppas and the described TS limitation match to each other.
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Pjotr wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:34 pm ...
Tant de bruit pour une omelette....
Ca c'est drôle.
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Yeah but why a duck?
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its a way the french say: much ado about nothing
they do it by referring to an omelette (or a pancake, depending on the translation)
nothing to do with ducks - except they lay eggs which can be used in omelettes or pancakes :)
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Peter Linu wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:08 pm Yeah but why a duck?
Parbleu, parce que c'est un canard. :lol:
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nachlese wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:15 pm its a way the french say: much ado about nothing
Klare Sache und damit hopp. :mrgreen:
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... das hab ich noch nie gehört - und der Sinn erschließt sich mir nicht
Ist das sowas wie ein vermurkster Spruch?
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Das ist aber auch nicht das wahre vom gelben Ei!
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Pjotr wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:34 pm That makes no sense. No ordinary user should use the Timeshift PPAs anyway. They're only meant for the developers. Tant de bruit pour une omelette....
Hi,

These PPAs are mainly used by Ubuntu users, who have access only to old versions, older than 22.06.5 one.

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MikeNovember wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:33 am
Pjotr wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:34 pm That makes no sense. No ordinary user should use the Timeshift PPAs anyway. They're only meant for the developers. Tant de bruit pour une omelette....
Hi,

These PPAs are mainly used by Ubuntu users, who have access only to old versions, older than 22.06.5 one.

Regards,

MN
It's simply a wrong approach. If they really need a newer version (but why?), it would make more sense for them to download and install it from here:
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/u ... timeshift/

From the looks of it (haven't tried it), even in an older Ubuntu you can simply download the .deb installer you want, and double-click it for installation.
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