Updated Mint apps on LMDE 6?

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:02 am

So I had been running LMDE 6 when 21.3 dropped and shortly after, I got the same 6.x updates for the Mint apps trickle into the Faye repos. Today, I had to nuke my install for ...reasons. But when I went to install a fresh copy of LMDE 6, these updates did not happen. Even after installing all system updates, rebooting, and updating again, I still had Nemo 5.8.4 for example. I believe the core Cinnamon package was 5.x as well.

While I don't have a problem with this per se, I am wondering why. I did check the checksum and verify it against Mint's signing key so it's absolutely the correct ISO and not corrupted or anything. My question is, did these packages actually get pulled out of the Faye repos for some reason or is my system misconfigured somehow? Keep in mind I haven't changed anything regarding software sources yet. It's all default. If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be very curious. SHA256 checksum is below, just to confirm this is the valid ISO.

96963cac1ac2ad4ba38414e618adbcdf64a6faadc33ddf53889fa3dc74d59df4 lmde-6-cinnamon-64bit.iso

Post by **xenopeek** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:44 am

You can browse the repository here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=faye. Nemo is on version 6.0.2+faye. If you don't have that update available in Update Manager, something is wrong on your end.

Check where your Nemo was installed from, which version you have and which other versions are available in your configured repositories with:
apt policy nemo

Share that output and also the output of inxi -Sr to show your system version and configured repositories.

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:26 pm

xenopeek wrote: ⤴Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:44 am You can browse the repository here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=faye. Nemo is on version 6.0.2+faye. If you don't have that update available in Update Manager, something is wrong on your end.

Check where your Nemo was installed from, which version you have and which other versions are available in your configured repositories with:
apt policy nemo

Share that output and also the output of inxi -Sr to show your system version and configured repositories.

Here is the info you requested. I was also just thinking, I installed LMDE with Ventoy which itself was causing problems for me when I was setting it up. I don't know if they're related or how Ventoy could possibly screw up my installation but I wonder if I should try again using the recommended method on Mint's website. I did check that link which is http for some reason, but yeah, a lot of my core packages are below 6.x for sure.

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apt policy nemo
nemo:
  Installed: 5.8.5+faye
  Candidate: 5.8.5+faye
  Version table:
 *** 5.8.5+faye 500
        500 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye/backport amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     5.6.4-1 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages

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inxi -Sr
System:
  Host: My-LMDE6 Kernel: 6.1.0-17-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Cinnamon v: 5.8.4 Distro: LMDE 6 Faye
Repos:
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
    1: deb http://packages.linuxmint.com faye main upstream import backport
    2: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    3: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    4: deb http://security.debian.org bookworm-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
    5: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

Post by **xenopeek** » Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:41 am

The repository configuration looks fine. Can you also run apt update and apt list --upgradable and share the output of both.

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:01 pm

LMDE:

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sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org bookworm-security InRelease
Hit:2 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease                         
Get:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [52.1 kB]       
Ign:4 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye InRelease   
Get:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease [56.5 kB]
Get:6 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye Release [22.2 kB]
Get:7 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main i386 Packages.diff/Index [63.3 kB]
Get:8 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Packages.diff/Index [63.3 kB]
Get:9 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main i386 Contents (deb).diff/Index [63.4 kB]
Get:10 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main all Contents (deb).diff/Index [63.6 kB]
Get:11 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Contents (deb).diff/Index [63.4 kB]
Get:12 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main i386 Packages T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-0807.59.pdiff [1,756 B]
Get:12 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main i386 Packages T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-0807.59.pdiff [1,756 B]
Get:13 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Packages T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-0807.59.pdiff [1,760 B]
Get:13 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Packages T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-0807.59.pdiff [1,760 B]
Get:14 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main i386 Contents (deb) T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-1406.01.pdiff [404 B]
Get:14 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main i386 Contents (deb) T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-1406.01.pdiff [404 B]
Get:15 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main all Contents (deb) T-2024-02-07-0807.59-F-2024-02-07-0807.59.pdiff [351 B]
Get:15 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main all Contents (deb) T-2024-02-07-0807.59-F-2024-02-07-0807.59.pdiff [351 B]
Get:16 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Contents (deb) T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-1406.01.pdiff [410 B]
Get:16 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Contents (deb) T-2024-02-07-2008.11-F-2024-02-07-1406.01.pdiff [410 B]
Get:17 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye Release.gpg [833 B]                  
Get:18 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye/upstream amd64 Packages [40.7 kB]
Get:19 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye/upstream i386 Packages [41.1 kB]
Get:20 http://packages.linuxmint.com faye/upstream amd64 Contents (deb) [33.1 kB]
Fetched 568 kB in 6s (102 kB/s)                                   
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
2 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.

Hmm, interesting. I just ran the above command on my Debian laptop as well. Why does LMDE have so many extra sources from Debian unlike my actual Debian machine? Is this related? I don't really know - I rarely go into sources on a Mint system since the defaults are typically perfect.

Debian:

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sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease [52.1 kB]
Hit:3 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease
Fetched 52.1 kB in 1s (77.7 kB/s)   
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.

And back to LMDE:

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apt list --upgradable
Listing... Done
firefox-l10n-en/faye 122.0.1~linuxmint1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 122.0~linuxmint1+faye]
firefox/faye 122.0.1~linuxmint1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 122.0~linuxmint1+faye]

Nothing, except a recent Firefox update which I'm applying now.

bin · Post by **bin** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:12 am

You seem to have enabled backports - which is not standard out of the box.
You also have at some point added i386 architecture.
Neither of these should make a difference...but worth disabling to double check.

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 sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org bookworm-security InRelease
Hit:2 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease                         
Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease                 
Hit:4 https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease                 
Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease    
Ign:6 https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages faye InRelease
Hit:7 https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages faye Release
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.

I did a clean install last Saturday.
/var/log/apt/history.log shows the updates as per the attached text file.
You may want to compare that with yours.

post-install-updates.txt: (3.95 KiB) Downloaded 25 times

Post by **xenopeek** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:26 am

AFAIK backports repository is configured by default on LMDE. But that shouldn't matter: no updates come from backports if a package has not first explicitly been installed from backports.

MiZoG · Post by **MiZoG** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:14 pm

contrib, non-free (which is different from non-free-firmware now enabled by default on Debian) and backports are enabled on LMDE and IMHO this is a good thing, adds to the overall user-friendliness of LMDE.

Added i386 arch (wine needs it) has never been a problem in all debian-based distros I've ever used.

Try to set a different mirror (preferably one close to your location) for Mint faye repo in "Software Sources" and report back.

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:31 pm

xenopeek wrote: ⤴Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:26 am AFAIK backports repository is configured by default on LMDE. But that shouldn't matter: no updates come from backports if a package has not first explicitly been installed from backports.

Yes, whatever is on, is on by default - I haven't made any changes yet. Having backports enabled does make sense from a user friendliness standpoint for sure. I was unaware LMDE did that.

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:42 pm

MiZoG wrote: ⤴Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:14 pm contrib, non-free (which is different from non-free-firmware now enabled by default on Debian) and backports are enabled on LMDE and IMHO this is a good thing, adds to the overall user-friendliness of LMDE.

Added i386 arch (wine needs it) has never been a problem in all debian-based distros I've ever used.

Try to set a different mirror (preferably one close to your location) for Mint faye repo in "Software Sources" and report back.

I was about to do this but just before I updated my cache and this happened! I swear I didn't do anything! What the heck?! Haha, it fixed itself somehow?

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apt list --upgradeable
Listing... Done
cinnamon-common/faye,faye 6.0.4+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.4+faye]
cinnamon-control-center-data/faye,faye 6.0.1+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.2+faye]
cinnamon-control-center-dbg/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.2+faye]
cinnamon-control-center/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.2+faye]
cinnamon-dbg/faye 6.0.4+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.4+faye]
cinnamon-desktop-data/faye,faye 6.0.0+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
cinnamon-l10n/faye,faye 6.0.2 all [upgradable from: 5.8.2]
cinnamon-screensaver/faye 6.0.3+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
cinnamon-session-common/faye,faye 6.0.4+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
cinnamon-session/faye 6.0.4+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
cinnamon-settings-daemon/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
cinnamon/faye 6.0.4+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.4+faye]
cjs/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
gir1.2-cinnamondesktop-3.0/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
gir1.2-cmenu-3.0/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
gir1.2-cvc-1.0/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
gir1.2-meta-muffin-0.0/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
gir1.2-nemo-3.0/faye 6.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.5+faye]
gir1.2-xapp-1.0/faye 2.8.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 2.6.1+faye]
gir1.2-xreader/faye 4.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.8.2+faye]
gir1.2-xviewer-3.0/faye 3.4.4+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.4.1+faye]
libcinnamon-control-center1/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.2+faye]
libcinnamon-desktop-dbg/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcinnamon-desktop4/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcinnamon-menu-3-0-dbg/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcinnamon-menu-3-0/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcjs-dbg/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcjs0/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcscreensaver0/faye 6.0.3+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
libcvc-dbg/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libcvc0/faye 6.0.0+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
libmuffin0/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
libnemo-extension1/faye 6.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.5+faye]
libxapp1/faye 2.8.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 2.6.1+faye]
libxreaderdocument3/faye 4.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.8.2+faye]
libxreaderview3/faye 4.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.8.2+faye]
muffin-common/faye,faye 6.0.1+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
muffin-dbg/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
muffin/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.1+faye]
nemo-data/faye,faye 6.0.2+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.5+faye]
nemo-dbg/faye 6.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.5+faye]
nemo-emblems/faye,faye 6.0.1+faye all [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
nemo-fileroller/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
nemo-preview/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
nemo-share/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.2+faye]
nemo/faye 6.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.5+faye]
pix-data/faye,faye 3.2.2+faye all [upgradable from: 3.0.2+faye]
pix-dbg/faye 3.2.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.0.2+faye]
pix/faye 3.2.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.0.2+faye]
python-nemo/faye 6.0.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 5.8.0+faye]
slick-greeter/faye 2.0.3+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 1.8.2+faye]
timeshift/faye 24.01.1+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 23.07.1+faye]
warpinator/faye 1.8.3+faye all [upgradable from: 1.6.4+faye]
xapps-common/faye,faye 2.8.2+faye all [upgradable from: 2.6.1+faye]
xed-common/faye,faye 3.4.5+faye all [upgradable from: 3.4.3+faye]
xed-dbg/faye 3.4.5+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.4.3+faye]
xed/faye 3.4.5+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.4.3+faye]
xreader-common/faye,faye 4.0.2+faye all [upgradable from: 3.8.2+faye]
xreader-dbg/faye 4.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.8.2+faye]
xreader/faye 4.0.2+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.8.2+faye]
xviewer-dbg/faye 3.4.4+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.4.1+faye]
xviewer/faye 3.4.4+faye amd64 [upgradable from: 3.4.1+faye]

Side note, is there any way to tell the installer to use online repos right away instead of what's on the ISO like you can on Debian?

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:45 pm

bin wrote: ⤴Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:12 am You seem to have enabled backports - which is not standard out of the box.
You also have at some point added i386 architecture.
Neither of these should make a difference...but worth disabling to double check.
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 sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org bookworm-security InRelease
Hit:2 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease                         
Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease                 
Hit:4 https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease                 
Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease    
Ign:6 https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages faye InRelease
Hit:7 https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages faye Release
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
I did a clean install last Saturday.
/var/log/apt/history.log shows the updates as per the attached text file.
You may want to compare that with yours.
post-install-updates.txt

Yeah some core packages for sure did not get updated like they did for you. Was this your very first update after install?

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:52 pm

I switched mirrors and now I get a much shorter list with apt update. What the heck is going on?! I'm more confused than before to be quite honest.

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sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org bookworm-security InRelease
Ign:2 https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint-packages faye InRelease                                         
Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm InRelease                                                             
Hit:4 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
Hit:5 https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint-packages faye Release
Hit:6 https://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
62 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.

In my post at the top, this command showed some lines ending in .pdiff. Any idea what these are and should I be worried about them?

soulstenance · Post by **soulstenance** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 11:20 pm

Quick follow up - I've reinstalled LMDE using a properly flashed ISO as recommended by Mint. No issues so far - packages seem to be updating properly and everything seems to "just work" as expected. Seems somehow Ventoy broke my install or there was some other fluke that did not resurface. Duly noted - will be steering clear of Ventoy going forward.

I'm going to consider this solved for all intents and purposes, however if anyone has any ideas as to what could have possibly gone wrong the first time feel free to spitball any ideas you have.

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