Replace suspend with pm-suspend

[SymbolicFrank]

Suspend doesn't work, but pm-suspend does. What do I have to do to have that used in the power options?

[t42]

It's systemd thing now

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systemctl suspend

also see systemctl status systemd-suspend.service

[SymbolicFrank]

It's systemd thing now

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systemctl suspend

also see systemctl status systemd-suspend.service

Yes. How can I replace that with "pm-suspend"? Because "systemctl suspend" doesn't work. It gives the screensaver and tends to make the desktop unresponsive.

[t42]

Because "systemctl suspend" doesn't work. It gives the screensaver and tends to make the desktop unresponsive.

It works as intended. Look at something in your system that prevents going it to sleep or some event immediately wakes up it. Look at relevant messages of systemctl status systemd-suspend.service and journalctl. Post your system info, maybe someone will give you further advice.

[SymbolicFrank]

Because "systemctl suspend" doesn't work. It gives the screensaver and tends to make the desktop unresponsive.

It works as intended. Look at something in your system that prevents going it to sleep or some event immediately wakes up it. Look at relevant messages of systemctl status systemd-suspend.service and journalctl. Post your system info, maybe someone will give you further advice.

I googled it and many people complain it doesn't work. There were two solutions: if you have an nVidia card, either use the Intel integrated GPU (if available) or the open-source mesa driver. I have an AMD Radeon 6950, the native AMD driver was installed automatically by the default installation and I like playing video games. And I also have an AMD Ryzen CPU, which doesn't have a built-in GPU. So those solutions won't work for me.

Also, while the installation went very well, I still had to spend two days debugging Mint until everything ran stable. I'm using it because I really dislike Microsoft Windows, not because I like to tinker with it. It's an OS, it's there to manage the computer and let me run the applications I want to use.

The alternative is pm-suspend, which does work. Not surprisingly, as it is the command made to suspend your computer. Newer (systemctl) isn't better if it works worse. So I would like to know if it is possible to have the power management use pm-suspend instead.

[SymbolicFrank]

So, I guess systemd is the way forward, even if it doesn't actually work. Tough luck if things stops working.

I mean, disabling (expensive) hardware, like video cards, because systemd doesn't like them, is not a solution. It encourages people to find an OS that actually works with their hardware.

[SMG]

There were two solutions: if you have an nVidia card, either use the Intel integrated GPU (if available) or the open-source mesa driver.

I help people with suspend issues all the time and I'm not aware of these "solutions" you found.

So, I guess systemd is the way forward, even if it doesn't actually work. Tough luck if things stops working.

I don't see where you posted the requested system information so others could help you.

Please open the System Reports app and click the System Information tab on the left. Your computer's information should come up in the right pane. Then click the Copy button in the lower right and paste the results into a reply window here so we can see how Linux Mint views your hardware.

[SymbolicFrank]

There were two solutions: if you have an nVidia card, either use the Intel integrated GPU (if available) or the open-source mesa driver.

I help people with suspend issues all the time and I'm not aware of these "solutions" you found.

So, I guess systemd is the way forward, even if it doesn't actually work. Tough luck if things stops working.

I don't see where you posted the requested system information so others could help you.

Please open the System Reports app and click the System Information tab on the left. Your computer's information should come up in the right pane. Then click the Copy button in the lower right and paste the results into a reply window here so we can see how Linux Mint views your hardware.

Sorry for the late reaction. It works worse and worse, so I would like it very much if you could help me. This is the System Information:

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System:
  Kernel: 5.15.0-91-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4
    tk: GTK 3.24.33 wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia
    base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: B550 AORUS PRO v: N/A serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Gigabyte model: B550 AORUS PRO v: x.x serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: F14 date: 01/04/2022
CPU:
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Audio:
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Network:
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  IF: eno1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
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    lanes: 4 type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 11296 temp: 38.9 C scheme: GPT
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Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 937.33 GiB used: 494.16 GiB (52.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
  ID-2: /boot/efi size: 511 MiB used: 6.1 MiB (1.2%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 2 GiB used: 124.9 MiB (6.1%) priority: -2 file: /swapfile
USB:
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    chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
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    chip-ID: 05e3:0608 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-7:3 info: Integrated Express ITE Device type: HID driver: hid-generic,usbhid
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    chip-ID: 05e3:0608 class-ID: 0900
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  Device-1: 2-3:2 info: JMicron / USA External type: Mass Storage driver: uas interfaces: 1
    rev: 3.2 speed: 5 Gb/s chip-ID: 152d:a581 class-ID: 0806 serial: <filter>
  Hub-5: 3-0:1 info: Hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
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Sensors:
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Info:
  Processes: 595 Uptime: 3d 12h 56m wakeups: 7 Memory: 62.69 GiB used: 16.11 GiB (25.7%)
  Init: systemd v: 249 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 11.4.0 alt: 11/12
  Client: Unknown python3.10 client inxi: 3.3.13

[SMG]

System:
Kernel: 5.15.0-91-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4
tk: GTK 3.24.33 wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia
base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy

I recommend you upgrade to the 6.5 kernel available in Update Manager. That will have newer graphics drivers and better support for your CPU.

Instructions for upgrading to the 6.5 kernel:

• Open Update Manager.
• Select View > Linux Kernels and click Continue.
• Make sure 6.5 is selected on the left panel and then click the top-most option on the right panel. An "Install" button will appear.
• Install the kernel and then reboot for it to become active.

If this is the correct link, the latest BIOS/UEFI is version F16. Both ones you are missing have AMD updates.

Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: B550 AORUS PRO v: N/A serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Gigabyte model: B550 AORUS PRO v: x.x serial: <superuser required>
UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: F14 date: 01/04/2022

[SymbolicFrank]

System:
Kernel: 5.15.0-91-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4
tk: GTK 3.24.33 wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia
base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy

I recommend you upgrade to the 6.5 kernel available in Update Manager. That will have newer graphics drivers and better support for your CPU.

Instructions for upgrading to the 6.5 kernel:

• Open Update Manager.
• Select View > Linux Kernels and click Continue.
• Make sure 6.5 is selected on the left panel and then click the top-most option on the right panel. An "Install" button will appear.
• Install the kernel and then reboot for it to become active.

If this is the correct link, the latest BIOS/UEFI is version F16. Both ones you are missing have AMD updates.

Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: B550 AORUS PRO v: N/A serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Gigabyte model: B550 AORUS PRO v: x.x serial: <superuser required>
UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: F14 date: 01/04/2022

I upgraded the kernel, now it does suspend. But it doesn't wake back up. Pressing the reset button is the only thing that works. I'll see if I can get the newest BIOS installed.

[SymbolicFrank]

So, I was wondering: is fixing suspend or replacing it with pm-suspend on the table? For all the people who have updated and upgraded everything to the latest versions, while it still doesn't work?

pm-suspend is far better, in that it actually suspends and wakes the computer back up, but the "waking up" part is far too trigger-happy, in that it often wakes the computer back up before it has suspended. In general, I have to do "sudo pm-suspend" two or three times before it sticks, but last night it didn't happen after more than ten tries.

And while selecting suspend from the menu doesn't work, so does "shutdown" and "restart", most of the time. It takes at least two tries. I had to do "sudo shutdown now" in a terminal to get it to power down.

While that might not be all that interesting for a low-power laptop from a power user, my computer consumes ~150 watts when idle, and ~600 watts when doing stuff. And fortunately, I do know how it all works. And because of all the devices, hard disks and the large amount of RAM, it takes about five minutes to boot, depending. That's why I value suspend and resume quite a lot.

[SMG]

While that might not be all that interesting for a low-power laptop from a power user, my computer consumes ~150 watts when idle, and ~600 watts when doing stuff. And fortunately, I do know how it all works. And because of all the devices, hard disks and the large amount of RAM, it takes about five minutes to boot, depending. That's why I value suspend and resume quite a lot.

Were you able to get the BIOS updated?

When one has a lot of attached drives, it can sometimes be those drives are interfering with suspend and shut down because they are not behaving as expected.

[t42]

When one has a lot of attached drives, it can sometimes be those drives are interfering with suspend and shut down because they are not behaving as expected.

Probably it is the case considering OP's impressive array of slow USB storage. It can be estimated executing udisksctl power-off /dev/XYZ for each external device before suspend