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Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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I have been using LM for a while now and updated to 21.3 when it became available. At first I thought my internet connection was slow but I never used to have any problem with lagging, stuttering streaming or YT vids but I decided something was not right with my system. I tried using different browsers, adding more ram and replacing my modem/router to no avail. I even installed a newer kernel when I realized an older kernel (5.15.0-102-generic) was still being used even though I always allow all kernel updates. As an aside I don't know why my system didn't start using the newer kernels from the Download Manager I finally decided to try a rollback to what I thought might be happier times (21.1) using Timeshift. Amazing! It really works as advertised even though I was very apprehensive to try it.With the rollback everything seems great. No more stuttering laggy vids. My problem now is I liked the new features with Mint 21.3 and would like to go back but I don't know where to start to try and resolve the issue with 21.3. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I don't understand everything I think I know about Linux but I'm very good at cut and pasting.

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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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PPA hell. :shock:

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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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As an aside I don't know why my system didn't start using the newer kernels from the Download Manager
Update manager will never suggest a move to a new kernel range.
It will only suggest updates in the original kernel range on the ISO, until a user selects a newer range themselves.
That can be done via Update Manager - View - Linux Kernels.
(Note, if you don't completely remove all of the old range of kernels then Update Manager will supply updates for both ranges)

I would agree with Pjotr that the first place to look at a deteriorating system are those PPAs..
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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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thwIII wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:45 am I have been using LM for a while now and updated to 21.3 when it became available. At first I thought my internet connection was slow but I never used to have any problem with lagging, stuttering streaming or YT vids but I decided something was not right with my system. I tried using different browsers, adding more ram and replacing my modem/router to no avail.
Considering how full your root partition is right now, I suspect the slowness was because of a very full root partition. Full root partitions will affect graphics performance.

Partition:
ID-1: / size: 453.49 GiB used: 364.78 GiB (80.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-0 mapped: mint--vg-root

Upgrading in place adds more files to your system. I suggest cleaning up the root partition and removing all unused programs and old kernels (keep one or two spare kernels) and then try upgrading again.

We need to see your LM21.3 information to be able to help you with LM21.3 issues.
thwIII wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:45 amI even installed a newer kernel when I realized an older kernel (5.15.0-102-generic) was still being used even though I always allow all kernel updates. As an aside I don't know why my system didn't start using the newer kernels from the Download Manager
Update Manager only gives updates to installed kernel versions. It does not upgrade you to newer kernel series. The 5.15 kernel is the LTS (long-term-support) kernel so there is no reason to switch you to the 6.5 kernel unless you are having problems with the 5.15 kernel series.
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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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Hi SMG, Thanks for your response. I learned something from your reply about the Update Mgr not upgrading to newer kernel series. Considering that, should I revert to the 5.15 kernel? I only have 2 installed and 1 active kernels according to Update Manager.
By way of background, when my 500G hard drive became full I installed a 1T SSD. I also bought another 500G hard drive to put in a "Raid" enclosure with my old 500G hard drive to be used as a backup. Not knowing that much about partitioning I 'm sure I botched the installation of the new SSD.
But wouldn't my rollback to 21.1 suffer the same lagging and stuttering as 21.3 if the problem was a too full root partition? 21.1 does not perform the same as 21.3 while appearing to be operating normal.
I have been hesitant to try and use Partition Manager or GParted to try and clean up my mess given the horror stories about wiping out files in the process. With what you know about my system how would you suggest to clean up the root partition so that I can go back to 21.3?
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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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You said "Considering how full your root partition is right now, I suspect the slowness was because of a very full root partition. Full root partitions will affect graphics performance."
I replied " But wouldn't my rollback to 21.1 suffer the same lagging and stuttering as 21.3 if the problem was a too full root partition? 21.1 does not perform the same as 21.3 while appearing to be operating normal."
Do you mean the process of upgrading to 21.3 added so many new files that that slowed down my video playing?
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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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My experience is the root partition doesn't have a wonky effect on the OS until it is approaching the mid 90% full level. It depends on the partition size, because a 150GB partition has way more free space at 94% full than a 30GB partition, but the 'more than 90% full' still stands.

I'm having zero problems with 21.2 and see no advantage to updating to 21.3 just because it's there. All of the 21's go EOL at the exact same time, so if everything works I ain't going to 'fix it', if you know what I mean.

I'm seeing a lot of problems with 21.3 posted on this forum, so I would even hesitate to install it 'clean' on one of my daily drivers. I'm thinking for most users, right now, 21.2 just might be a better choice, but in the end it is your computer and your choice to make.
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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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Hi Reddog. Gotcha. II know what you mean. I'm thinking I will upgrade to 21.2 when I get my /dev/sda1 SSD drive under control but I'm not sure how to go about that. I've dumped most of the PPAs as Pjotr suggested. I actually found Pjotr's site and tried most of the changes to Mint 21.3 hoping that would make things faster but didn't seem to help with speed. I need help with partitioning and getting root partition right before doing an upgrade or clean install. Thanks for your comments and any help you provide..
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thwIII wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:22 pm Hi SMG, Thanks for your response. I learned something from your reply about the Update Mgr not upgrading to newer kernel series. Considering that, should I revert to the 5.15 kernel? I only have 2 installed and 1 active kernels according to Update Manager.
The 6.5 kernel is an HWE kernel so to remove it and all future updates, you also need to remove the following three packages:
• linux-generic-hwe-22.04-edge
• linux-headers-generic-hwe-22.04-edge
• linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04-edge
thwIII wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:22 pmBut wouldn't my rollback to 21.1 suffer the same lagging and stuttering as 21.3 if the problem was a too full root partition?
No, because your drive is not as full with 21.1 as it was with 21.3. When you roll back to a snapshot, files which were added after the snapshot was taken are removed from your system.
thwIII wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:19 pmDo you mean the process of upgrading to 21.3 added so many new files that that slowed down my video playing?
In order to run programs (including videos), there must be sufficient free space on your drive for buffering so that videos appear smooth and not jerky. If there is not sufficient room, swapping needs to be done which means it takes longer. Whether or not you see the effects of that depends on your system's CPU and memory.
thwIII wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:22 pmWith what you know about my system how would you suggest to clean up the root partition so that I can go back to 21.3?
I do not know what is filling it so I can only give general advice. It seems you probably have already followed the general advice if you used the information on Pjotr's site.
thwIII wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:02 amI actually found Pjotr's site and tried most of the changes to Mint 21.3 hoping that would make things faster but didn't seem to help with speed.
Please post your system information from that 21.3 install.
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Reddog1 wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:05 am My experience is the root partition doesn't have a wonky effect on the OS until it is approaching the mid 90% full level. It depends on the partition size, because a 150GB partition has way more free space at 94% full than a 30GB partition, but the 'more than 90% full' still stands.
At the mid-90's level, people will have problems logging in to Linux Mint. The operating system checks % free and not absolute values.
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Reddog1 wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:05 am I'm seeing a lot of problems with 21.3 posted on this forum, so I would even hesitate to install it 'clean' on one of my daily drivers. I'm thinking for most users, right now, 21.2 just might be a better choice, but in the end it is your computer and your choice to make.
I think this is an overly pessimistic view of Mint 21.3.
I have been running it on a laptop and a desktop since it was introduced and have experienced zero issues with it.

It is the latest version of Mint and so anyone new to Linux or Mint are more likely to be using it rather than another version. That is when the majority of people are likely to experience difficulties with an operating system, when they are trying/have just installed it.
Also, the 5.15 kernel range that comes with standard Mint 21.x is pretty old hat now. Anyone trying to install Mint 21.x on newly purchased equipment are liable to run into difficulties. A great many issues currently posted on this board are resolved with the suggestion of trying to install the EDGE version - which has the 6.x series kernel instead.

Indeed, I would go farther and suggest that the x.3 versions of Mint have tended to be the most well liked and reliable. After all, they have had a number of precedents to iron out any issues with the Distribution.
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RIH wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:41 pm I have been running it on a laptop and a desktop since it was introduced and have experienced zero issues with it.
Same here. It has a well-tested and mature Ubuntu LTS codebase, and that shows.
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Re: Rollback from 21.3 to 21.1 Now What"

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Thanks again for those comments Reddog. Makes sense and gives me something else to consider. Cheers!
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