Mint Debian

[JoeFootball]

I'm going to install the current "approved" build which I downloaded before it was "yanked" as it makes for a fine learning experience and as an old geek I simply can't resist.

Now *that's* the spirit! I too love things that need to be fixed just so I can learn about them.

Joe

[mmesantos1]

Well still running my Mint Debian from last night and is running great. I even upgraded all the packages, I believe 200+ of them and no issue's. Love how light and fast it is. I will keep on pushing it to make sure no issues pop up.

[darco]

I was running the Chromium PPA in LM9 and wanted to get the latest browser running in LMDE (the repos have 5.0 and the dailies are up to 7.0).
I added the ppa source but was curious on which version of Ubuntu I should have chosen (Maverick, Lucid,Karmic...). I went with Karmic.
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main

It installed fine but just wasnt sure which distro to choose...

[darco]

Well thats Chrome and I am using the open source, Chromium...

https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+ ... es_filter=

[mmesantos1]

@darco: Isn't this the right deb? http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/eula_dev.html?dl=unstable_i386_deb
Shouldn't really contaminate your debian with ubuntu sources :S

+1 on this, I did a test last year with debian testing and added repo for ubuntu to it and total breakage, not a good idea. Be prepared to fix the badly borked system.

[darco]

I see in the debian forums no one seems to have any issues running ubuntu ppa.....Ill monitor.....seems fine to me

[Robin]

Robin: The packaging is compatible in terms of format (.deb), not in terms of organization. ... If you install an Ubuntu .deb in Debian, or vice-versa it could depend on other packages that don't exist in that distribution, it could also assume libraries are here instead of there, and so on.... to be brief, Mint has been 100% compatible with Ubuntu, and this edition is 100% compatible with Debian, but Debian and Ubuntu are not compatible distributions, there's a real fork between the two.

I really appreciate such a direct explanation, Clem, thank you! I wonder how they ended up so far apart that they are no longer compatible. Nonetheless, it is what it is...

Now a second silly question if it's okay: Is it possible to edit the sources list simply by substituting the word "Squeeze" for the word "testing?" I have read more than one opinion that even Sid is more stable than Testing (???), and stabily matters most on my aging hardware. Since Squeeze is about to become Stable, it seems to me I could have a sweet Minty Squeeze that way!

-Robin

[mmesantos1]

Ok found an issue, this did not happen until I did all 244 updates. I went to check for updates from Mint update and noticed it would freeze during refresh. I then rebooted my PC and from Terminal ran sudo apt-get update and it would freeze as well at the same spot after 2 more reboots and re-run spt-get update. here is the terminal info:

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ems@ems-desktop ~ $ sudo apt-get update
[sudo] password for ems:
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release.gpg                       
Get:1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing/main Translation-en           
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing/main Translation-en_US           
Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release.gpg                     
Ign http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/contrib Translation-en         
Ign http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/contrib Translation-en_US     
Get:2 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing/non-free Translation-en       
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing/non-free Translation-en_US       
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release                           
Ign http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/main Translation-en           
Ign http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/main Translation-en_US         
Ign http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/non-free Translation-en       
Ign http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates/non-free Translation-en_US     
Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release                         
Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main i386 Packages             
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex     
Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib i386 Packages           
Hit http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free i386 Packages         
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex 
Get:3 http://packages.linuxmint.com debian Release.gpg [198B]                 
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/import Translation-en           
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/import Translation-en_US         
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/main Translation-en             
Hit http://ftp.debian.org testing Release.gpg                             
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/contrib Translation-en           
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/contrib Translation-en_US       
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/main Translation-en_US           
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/upstream Translation-en         
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/upstream Translation-en_US
Get:4 http://packages.linuxmint.com debian Release [6,510B]
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main Translation-en                 
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main Translation-en_US               
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free Translation-en_US
Hit http://ftp.debian.org testing Release                   
Hit http://ftp.debian.org testing/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex                 
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/main i386 Packages
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/upstream i386 Packages
Hit http://ftp.debian.org testing/contrib i386 Packages/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp.debian.org testing/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/import i386 Packages
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/main i386 Packages
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/upstream i386 Packages
Ign http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/import i386 Packages
Hit http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/main i386 Packages
Hit http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/upstream i386 Packages
Hit http://packages.linuxmint.com debian/import i386 Packages
99% [1 Translation-en bzip2 0B] 

[anticapitalista]

That translation error is because of the debian-multimedia repo. Comment it out and apt-get update will finish.

[anticapitalista]

That translation error is because of the debian-multimedia repo. Comment it out and apt-get update will finish.

Why would you not want debian-multimedia? o_O

The issue that is causing apt-get update to 'stick' is the multimedia repo. (There is a problem at debian.multimedia well on my box at least).
You won't be able to upgrade anything from multimedia until that repo gets fixed.

[kneekoo]

While trying to play fair, installing what's on the default repositories, I bumped into some issues I've also encountered while updating:

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nicu@mintulet ~ $ sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
Citire liste de pachete... Terminat
Se construiește arborele de dependență       
Se citesc informațiile de stare... Terminat
Următoarele extra pachete vor fi instalate:
  chromium-browser-inspector libglewmx1.5 libprotobuf6 libv8-2.2.24
Pachete sugerate:
  chromium-browser-l10n
Următoarele pachete NOI vor fi instalate:
  chromium-browser chromium-browser-inspector libglewmx1.5 libprotobuf6 libv8-2.2.24
0 înnoite, 5 nou instalate, 0 de șters și 11 neînnoite.
Este nevoie să descărcați 12,9MB de arhive.
După această operație vor fi folosiți din disc încă 34,0MB.
Vreți să continuați [Y/n]?
AVERTISMENT: Următoarele pachete nu pot fi autentificate!
  libglewmx1.5 libprotobuf6 libv8-2.2.24 chromium-browser-inspector chromium-browser
Avertisment de autentificare înlocuit.
Luat:1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main libglewmx1.5 i386 1.5.4-1 [96,2kB]
Luat:2 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main libprotobuf6 i386 2.3.0-4 [363kB]
Luat:3 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main libv8-2.2.24 i386 2.2.24-5 [1.014kB]
Luat:4 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main chromium-browser-inspector all 5.0.375.127~r55887-1 [890kB]
Luat:5 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main chromium-browser i386 5.0.375.127~r55887-1 [10,5MB]
Aduși: 12,9MB în 8s (1.437kB/s)                                                                                                   
Se selectează pachetul libglewmx1.5, deselectat anterior.
(Se citește baza de date ... 106493 fișiere și directoare actualmente instalate.)
Se despachetează libglewmx1.5 (din .../libglewmx1.5_1.5.4-1_i386.deb) ...
Se selectează pachetul libprotobuf6, deselectat anterior.
Se despachetează libprotobuf6 (din .../libprotobuf6_2.3.0-4_i386.deb) ...
Se selectează pachetul libv8-2.2.24, deselectat anterior.
Se despachetează libv8-2.2.24 (din .../libv8-2.2.24_2.2.24-5_i386.deb) ...
Se selectează pachetul chromium-browser-inspector, deselectat anterior.
Se despachetează chromium-browser-inspector (din .../chromium-browser-inspector_5.0.375.127~r55887-1_all.deb) ...
Se selectează pachetul chromium-browser, deselectat anterior.
Se despachetează chromium-browser (din .../chromium-browser_5.0.375.127~r55887-1_i386.deb) ...
Se procesează declanșatorii pentru gnome-menus ...
Se procesează declanșatorii pentru desktop-file-utils ...
Se procesează declanșatorii pentru menu ...
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000' near line 5 package 'libglewmx1.5': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000' near line 5 package 'libglewmx1.5': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 5 package 'libprotobuf6': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 5 package 'libprotobuf6': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0006' near line 5 package 'libv8-2.2.24': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0006' near line 5 package 'libv8-2.2.24': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0009' near line 5 package 'chromium-browser-inspector': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0009' near line 5 package 'chromium-browser-inspector': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0012' near line 5 package 'chromium-browser': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0012' near line 5 package 'chromium-browser': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0014' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0014' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0016' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0016' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0018' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0018' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0020' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0020' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing maintainer
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0022' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing description
warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0022' near line 6 package 'chromium-browser': missing maintainer
Se procesează declanșatorii pentru man-db ...
Se procesează declanșatorii pentru hicolor-icon-theme ...
Se pregătește libglewmx1.5 (1.5.4-1) ...
Se pregătește libprotobuf6 (2.3.0-4) ...
Se pregătește libv8-2.2.24 (2.2.24-5) ...
Se pregătește chromium-browser-inspector (5.0.375.127~r55887-1) ...
Se pregătește chromium-browser (5.0.375.127~r55887-1) ...
Se procesează declanșatorii pentru menu ...
nicu@mintulet ~ $

I don't know what triggers those errors - I might document on other sites. However, noone reported this so you should know it happens. See below, near the end, the missing description/maintainer thing.

[mikeconcepts]

Confirmed if you comment out the multimedia repro you will be able to complete a check for updates.

[secipolla]

Hello, I've been reading this thread for some time. I'm not using mint Debian, just Sid with LXDE in this small 30 GB HD. But I already use Mint's repository for Firefox.
Just to point out some things:
- debian-multimedia.org from time to time has to be commented in sources.list for apt-get update to work. Probably due to its maintenances. It's happening now and it has been happening from time to time (after the update/upgrade, uncomment it again). Hitting Ctrl+C to stop apt-get update also works since the other repositories will have been already updated.
- those "missing maintainer" warnings are just warnings regarding packaging, nothing to worry about. When people get accustomed to updating/upgrading from the command line, they will know what to worry about or not.

If someone needs to have a newer kernel, I suggest to try the Liquorix kernel. It's maintained and has been constantly updated. See forum thread at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=45151

[MALsPa]

Is it possible to edit the sources list simply by substituting the word "Squeeze" for the word "testing?" I have read more than one opinion that even Sid is more stable than Testing (???), and stabily matters most on my aging hardware. Since Squeeze is about to become Stable, it seems to me I could have a sweet Minty Squeeze that way!

-Robin

It's possible to use "squeeze" instead of "testing." Whether or not that gives you a sweet Minty Squeeze is another story!

You would no longer have a rolling release distro. Sounds like you'd be fine with that, though.

[zerozero]

just finish the installation now from the faulty iso and everything went smooth. No errors during install, i could select sdc has the target for the grub (was a concern of mine after reading above that the installer didn't give us option to choose). APT cleared fine, rebooted and i'm writing this from the fresh Mint-Debian while Synaptic updates 255 packages.

[kneekoo]

@MALsPa: We could also (nick)name this project Mintian.

[secipolla]

Again, the missing description/maintainer issue. I understand it's harmless (thank you for confirming that, secipolla), but it really looks bad. Can something be done about this?

If you could ask APT to shut up!

Regarding configuration files being replaced, APT asks you about it in case you had made some custom changes in the file. If you didn't even know about it then just accept the new configuration from the package maintainer.

[nadir]

@ yarrgh
Plymouth (or any splash) is not part of the debian edition at this stage, I believe this is due to clem not being happy with it's problems.
However, I did try installing plymouth myself and it ran fine (on intel hardware).

@nadir
The link you posted regarding my sound card does work, to an extent.
I have tried that method before and certain things work (laptop speakers) and others don't (hdmi output when connected to external TV amongst others, headphone output very crackly).
I could probably work out those issues but it is going against my ultimate aim of an out-of-the-box dekstop without any compiling or adding of repos.
From further reading it seems all my sound issues should be solved in kernels 2.6.33 and upwards which testing doesn't have yet.

I am not good with sound stuff.
But in case a higher kernel solves your problem you got two choices:
The one is to make use of the experimental kernel from the experimental repos. As far only the kernel is concerned that shouldn't give you trouble (and you still got your testing kernel, so you won't bork the system).
If you add experimental to the sources and run apt-get update you will have to install it with that syntax:
apt-get install -t experimental linux-image-name_one_the_35_kernel.
If you add for unstable/sid it is different. You will need to edit the /etc/apt/preferences file, so testing is being set to the default repo (but for experimental it is: it only installs from experimental in case you tell it to).
Don't install other things from experimental. That is not a good idea
(even when running unstable or mixed testing/unstable one should first read a bit about how one does that in a proper way).

The other choice is to install the liquorix-kernel. It works very well.
http://liquorix.net/
Lots of people who are running Debian testing or unstable use it, and i have not heard of any problems yet.
As it is tweaked for being run on a desktop (while the stock debian kernel is rather for a server), that is the better option.
Imo, of course.

Hope this helped.

[shayney]

@ nadir
After installing the experimental kernel sound is indeed working.
I would probably try the liquorix-kernel when I do a fresh "proper" install, safe in the knowledge that my sound should be working out of the box when testing gets a higher kernel.

[Robin]

It's possible to use "squeeze" instead of "testing." Whether or not that gives you a sweet Minty Squeeze is another story!

You would no longer have a rolling release distro. Sounds like you'd be fine with that, though.

Correct as usual, your MALsPaness! I want to end up with sweet Minty Debian Stable that rarely needs updating... even running Xfce or LXDE, this ol' 'puter is getting too old for the fancy new kernels that do so well on the newer machines. Can't buy a new one for a long while yet I think.

I wish I was still geek-inclined enough and had the time to help test this wonderful new project, but I'm looking forward to my sweet Minty Debian Stable (I'll make it stable just swapping "Squeeze" for "testing"), hopefully by the time Helena reaches EOL.

It's gonna be awesome!

Gleefully,
Robin