Poll: Will Linux Mint overtake Ubuntu and/or even Windows?

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Do you think that Linux Mint will overtake Ubuntu and/or even Windows?

Poll ended at Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:30 pm

Yes Linux Mint will overtake Ubuntu and Windows anytime.
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Yes Linux Mint will overtake Ubuntu anytime.
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Yes Linux Mint will overtake Windows anytime (together with Ubuntu).
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No it will be always behind Windows and Ubuntu.
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Total votes: 44

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h8r wrote:And, as a corollary, we see the amount of people frustrated with and willing to abandon Windows expanding.
I'd counter that with the point that people learn to live with Windows quirks, they don't know anything else exists, and assume that Windows must be the best because it's everywhere. They may not like it, but they ain't changing to Linux because of it. Yes there's always some that get tot a tipping point that they explore and switch, yes that number is growing, but it's balanced out by people who just accept what they have, and think the cost of using a PC is that it only lasts a few years and you have to go buy a new one.

It's the abused spouse syndrome, no matter how bad it gets you always assume it was a bad day, that the alternative is worse, if there is any alternative, that the upheaval of change is not worth it. The common use of the term "PC virus" plays into this, when there's no such thing. There is a "Windows virus", but calling it a PC virus plants the idea that no matter where they go, they're in the same boat, so they may as well stick with the devil they know. Not only that, but Windows skilled people are ten a penny, so they have no problems getting people who can help, even if they do need to keep shelling out cash.

Those who do know how to fix Windows have built up years of knowledge to become power users specialised in Windows. They go back to being newbies with Linux, until they rebuild those skills in Linux. Some are cross platform, many are not. Being a power user is an important ego thing for many people, whatever their skills. People look up to them, make them feel important. That alone is often enough to have people dig their heels in to stay on something that gives them that ego trip without any additional learning.
h8r wrote:Oh, and guess what? Ubuntu is a business and finds capital on the market.
Canonical are making money, just not enough to break even. Mark Shuttleworth bankrolled Ubuntu for some years, long enough to give it time like any new business, to gradually break even, then turn a profit. His original time limit expired a couple of years ago. His choice was to stick to his plan and pull out of bankrolling Ubuntu knowing it'd be in SERIOUS problems, or hang on for another year or two to see it over the brink. He chose to hang on in there, it's still not profitable. This is why we see various business orientated decisions handed down from Canonical on Ubuntu, they're looking for any way they possibly can to make more money.

Canonical know home user desktop Linux is never going to be an earner, so do RedHat and Novell (now defunct). They know the money lies in enterprise support contracts, where Windows is king, and when Linux comes into it bot RedHat and Novell were the default go-to guys with years of experience at just that. RedHat have their own certs for engineers too. Canonical was always going to struggle. I hope it does go on to be profitable and successful, but so far it's still not at that tipping point.
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Google is free, too, for the user. It also overthrew M$' stranglehold on internet searches. Not because it was forced on us, but because enough people realized it was better. That will happen with Linux too, in fact it only started in the last few years and has only increased in pace.
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h8r think you make some good points in your views on the this topic. Nice sounding and shining ideals. Though I voted no and no. Cause in the real world the good guy often finishes last and comes up short. Doubting linux will ever displace winblows. Better ? Yep, I think so too, both morally, technically. Well in many ways ...

People are creatures of habit. Majority are familiar with M$'s craptasticness. It comes preinstalled, has been the standard for as long as the majority of PC users have been using a comp. They have no reason to look into linuxland. When the software they have now meets all their needs. Look at it from a perspective of inertia.

A load of craptastic elements are at play and exerting influence here. Think it would take the intervention of another extremely well financed ... No doubt also extremely craptastic megatech corp and/or govt intervention to reverse the trend M$'s established in the PC market. Perhaps similar to what Google is doing, believe their opensource OS is linux based. They aren't doing it cause they like humanity of course. They want to secure the tons of money they make a year and hopefully cut one of their rivals throats in the bargain.

Governments and/or officials in the education system ? ... Really enough said there, lol. They work for whoever pays them the most. Noble causes often don't pay anything, even require sacrifice. So safe to count them out of trying to do the right thing me thinks. :D

Think like nunol said, until da unwashed masses are given a real incentive to consider it ... >$, this stuff. vs the tons of time and effort that'd be required to make a change or want to. They'll continue using what they're used to. Most people just aren't into comps, like many of us are. They have lives n stuff, lol.

Or barring a concerted effort at coordination and promotion by the talented devs and linux communities to push linux forward. Also just don't think it's there. 500+ diff distro's, mostly trying to out do each other and competing, there's mucho rivalry even among the linux user bases. My distro, is better than your distro ... peeing contests.

Most the devs behind these distro's have no real sources of revenue. Advertising, donations ... etc. At least not in the sense of a conventional business model. Where a product is produced, sold and organized efforts to coordinate expansion are made. From my limited understanding of the topic. Come to think of the diversity involved as one of nixs greatest strengths and biggest weaknesses.

So don't doubt nix will continue to make headway. Just don't see it being drastic to the point of "dominating" personal computing. The real decision rests in the hands of a few people at the top. They don't seem to be all that concerned with fighting the good fight for the sake of the commons.

Same thing with ubuntu, it's better known, better funded and much better promoted than Mint. Not to mention Mint is based on ubuntu, rather than even being looked at as a distro in it's own right. Leap frogging it's next release off of ubuntu's last release. Think in some odd way Mint benefits from living in ubuntu's shadow. In my experience Mint's better than pure ubuntu. But take the weird arrangement they have going away and Mint HQ is left with good ole promoting. Promoting takes $, devoted volunteers ... preferably both.

Looks to be a hard road whichever way they go. Mint overtaking winblows ? Madness ... All the combined linux distro's as a whole, SOMEDAY FAR IN THE FUTURE getting a respectable share of the PC market ? Possible.

Mint overtaking ubuntu in terms of userbase ? ... Imo, extremely doubtful. Whether they shift to debian or stick with buntu base or hang out in the middle with both. No matter what they do, if they focus on making great software though. Doubt that'll hurt Linux Mint in any way. :D


There went 24mins I'll never get back. ( edit) Plus however long this afterthought takes, lol. Imo, ubuntu is a discredit to nix itself. Think it's junk ... have seen ( am using ) distro's that appear to be made by one guy, keeps a server in the broom closet. That I've found to be ALOT better than ubuntu. Personally have come to think of ubuntu as the M$ of the nix world. :D
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Re: Poll: Will Linux Mint overtake Ubuntu and/or even Window

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You guys honestly believe that the invention of Windows is here to stay, dominant and on top, for all time and eternity?

You honestly believe Linux home-user base isn't exploding this year and in general?

You don't think that when people realize Linux can/does look/act exactly like Windows, but better in every concievable point (except games), and free, and working OOTB no manual driver installs etc needed, that they will take 5 seconds to Google and see what Linux can do for their desktop? You don't think they'll happen upon an article about Ubuntu on the next release that will change their mind? You don't think that the more and more Ubuntu/Linux in general expand to the home user, that people will give it a chance and it's reputation precede it?

You really believe the Windows home-user base will never contract, and the Linux home-user base will never expand, such that Linux will have a larger market share, EVER?

Then I guess we agree to disagree. My view is that Linux will become mainstream (i.e. everyone will know at least one person who uses it as their home desktop) in the next few years, maybe 5-10, especially as governments around the world collapse and people go broke and have less money in general, and that this trend started in 2004 Ubuntu, that it has only expanded, that it exploded this year, and, finally, that with the advent of Android, people will see, whether they like it or not (trust me, they LOVE android), that Linux is capable of more than they ever dreamed - for free.
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Re: Poll: Will Linux Mint overtake Ubuntu and/or even Window

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lol ... you are trying to change horse mid stream here me thinks. The question was will Mint ( not linux ) etc. Almost certain answer to both those questions posed is a resounding no. Will linux as a whole ever come to dominate PC's. Don't think so ... not anytime soon and not to the landslide degree you're proposing.

Think a person will google linux ( make that a minority will even bother to ... ). Ubuntu will come up top ( at least it did last time I tried it.) Buntu, blows chunks anyway. Or they'll see 4,233,432 diff linux distro's to choose from and stop and think hmmmmm. I could spend the next 18mnths of my life trying to figure all this weirdness out. So that I can read emails, browse the web, watch video's online and do some typing ( oh wait a minute I can already do all that stuff )

Orrrrrr, I can turn on my computer, do all the stuff I usually do with what's already on it ... then hop on over to XXX.com for some good ole p0rn time. Linux imo is mucho better too. Don't get me wrong, I despise M$ and begrudge them every dollar they make and the air they breathe. Hope linux stomps a mudhole in M$. It should ... will no doubt continue poaching among M$'s flock. :D

But landslide domination in the next few years after 20+ of fighting an uphill battle ? I'm skeptical ... shrugs. You are one of the good guys in my view, idealistically speaking. Ok ... mr nix champion. How bout you come over here and get my lexmark all in one to print under linux !??!?!?!

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Re: Poll: Will Linux Mint overtake Ubuntu and/or even Window

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lol

This debate can rage on for years.

It has raged on for years.

Microsoft wishes Linux its self would just curl up and die. They have for years just tried to pretend Linux don't even exist.

Then you have the Linux community that has grown 100 fold giving Microsoft the finger with a out right in your face WE ARE HERE TO STAY . We can do all you can do but better for FREE. Other then gaming, thats just mostly a young'ins game .

Microsoft approach is to once again pretend we don't exist lol.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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One other of my babbling, pointless and yet poss on some distant planet, brilliant obs.

People are assuming M$ can't do better. I don't think that's the case. THEY DON'T WANT TO, much of M$'s craptasticness is built in by design. If you make the perfect product, that lasts forever. Then consumers have no reason to buy the next big thing your company comes out with ... right ?

It's like automakers who build 100k mile engines. Then something major is going to go out and will cost you more to fix than biting the bullet and just buying a new one. It's sleazy, but things are intentionally designed to fail anymore. Think M$ is playing that same game. With the $$$ they have behind them. Should linux ever manage to really break through and become a real threat to their PC software monopoly. Thinking M$ will seriously begin stepping up their game in terms of quality n features. ( oh yeah, and advertising and promotion )

Not to mention M$, among soooo many other advantages they are enjoying, in true craptastic M$ style. Can spend more in a year smearing, bribing and sabotaging linux, than 492 of the combined 500+ linux distro's make in 5yrs, lol. ( edit: and not even miss it ). Alright done babbling ... later folks.

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Within the next 5 to 10 years, every common person will know at least one common person who uses a Linux distro where others use Windows. Phrases like factor of, order of magnitude, exponential come to mind. How many people used Android on their phones 10 years ago? How many home desktop users used Ubuntu in 2003? It has to start somewhere. My guess is that Linux will explode faster than M$ will continue to grow, and that at some point it will affect the mainstream, for reasons none of us can predict right now.

"But...but...but M$!" they say. Ya, them and every other monopoly that's failed and government that's collapsed. Also, the world is currently undergoing a financial restructuring and IT revolution. The US dollar, the reserve currency of the world, is collapsing in front of us. What is M$ invested in? Themselves? The USA government? Other governments dependent on the USD? Good luck. I give M$ another 5 years of majority market share for home desktop users, 10 tops. I give the USD 5 years tops, and that alone will have a unpredictable impact on the financing of the IT industrial complex.
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No matter how hard you will it to be true, it never will be. To think otherwise is to completely underestimate just how entrenched Microsoft are. The idea that people will just have light bulbs flash on in their minds when they just see Linux for themselves is laughable. We've all been through that idealistic phase, and come through the other side when reality bites enough times.

Linux is a better system in many ways, but it doesn't matter.

You'd think that only rich countries would have a strong Windows share right? Windows ain't cheap. Even in the poorest nations on the planet Windows still has 95+% Why? They use illegal installs of Windows for free (cost) rather than the legally free (cost) Linux. Since Windows is bundled with the PC, and people are conditioned to think an OS is part of it, that it can't be separated, they think it's free.

This is a long, slow war. People gradually come over to Linux. People also get frustrated and go back to Windows.

Do you think that when some small local government, school or business switch to Linux that Microsoft sit back and say "well played, we lost that one"? No, they have a system they call hot spots, where they send in people to derail any Linux adoptions with sweetener deals to convert back to Windows, and a pack of lies about legal liabilities, reliability, links to crime etc Microsoft have been at this a LONG time, they are a well oiled machine.

You assume Windows is a terrible experience for most users too. Windows 7 is actually pretty decent. The odd time I have to use Windows, I like Windows 7. It works smoothly enough that it would give me no major reason to look elsewhere, assuming I wasn't already exposed to Linux. Don't get me wrong, it still has it's flaws, my point is that it's nowhere near as bad as we'd like it to be, to give people such a bad time as to tempt them over to try an alternative.

We all advocate Linux to those around us. I've been using Linux full time since 2007 and consider myself pretty new to the whole idea. It's a long slog, but it matters that we're cool about it, that we don't mis-sell it, and that we're not arrogant preachers about it. The reality is that the vast majority of computer users don't care how it works, they don't care about open or closed, they just want to use it to do a task. They see everyone around them (except you) has Windows or OSX, they see it's the norm......except you, who wants to bring every conversation about anything onto PCs, software, DRM, free software etc when they simply don't care.

The more you preach, the faster you lose them. To chill out means first recognizing and accepting the reality that we're in a Windows world. We're in a closed world too, where all sorts of strong rights (patents, copyrights, trademarks etc) are seen as the way to do things. FOSS is a whole way of doing things, as well as simply software. You can't compare closed source with open without a whole philosophical layer coming into play. You can compare closed with closed, Windows with OSX. The more chilled you are, the more they will come to you.

Have a listen to the latest episode of Mintcast http://mintcast.org and the interview with Larry Bushie from the Going Linux podcast. Going Linux is a podcast aimed at newbies to Linux. One part of the interview he talks about how he advocates Linux and FOSS. It'd do you some good methinks. It will open your eyes.
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What's the difference between poll options 1 and 3?
1) "Yes Linux Mint will overtake Ubuntu and Windows anytime."
3) "Yes Linux Mint will overtake Windows anytime (together with Ubuntu)."

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h8r wrote:You guys honestly believe that the invention of Windows is here to stay, dominant and on top, for all time and eternity?
No, of course not. Nothing lasts forever.
h8r wrote:You honestly believe Linux home-user base isn't exploding this year and in general?
I don't know that to be true. How can anyone determine how many people are using Linux at home? Seems to me that nobody really knows for sure.
h8r wrote:My view is that Linux will become mainstream
Time will tell. Seems like wishful thinking to me right now, but I applaud your optimism.
lmintnewb wrote:lol ... you are trying to change horse mid stream here me thinks. The question was will Mint ( not linux ) etc. Almost certain answer to both those questions posed is a resounding no. Will linux as a whole ever come to dominate PC's. Don't think so ... not anytime soon and not to the landslide degree you're proposing.
I feel the same way. It would be nice if that sentiment turns out to be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. Anyway, lmintnewb is right, the question was about Mint, not about Linux in general. I think that Mint might have a better chance of "overtaking" Ubuntu if it is no longer based on Ubuntu. Maybe. I'm not even sure about that, because I'm not sure that Linux Mint has the manpower to compete with Ubuntu (in terms of "popularity") if Mint became "Debian-based" instead of "Ubuntu-based."

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it's worth taking a look at web usage(which is a decent indicator of common usage).

linux OS use is up a whopping 25% in the last year or two! to an amazing 1% of usage overall.

part of this is exposure. a lot of people are pretty clueless about linux. a lot of people are uninformed.

i myself, years ago, would say 'i thought about going to linux, then i came to my senses'.

it's also performance.

XP, when not dicked around with too bad and maintained well, is a shockingly solid OS. there's a reason i'm keeping my XP installed harddrive around, in the computer, ready to roll should i have a massive failure on the linux drive.

do note that it's been in service for a bit over a decade. it's probably going to hang around for another decade. witness those luddites who have only just now abandoned their win98 installs because the hardware finally failed and was so obsolete as to be impossible to replace. they go to 7 because they had a damn solid experience with windows before(and 98 was probably one of the best OS's written).

ubuntu has long had a history of being... problematic upon release. it's constantly evolving, which is kind of awesome in a geeky way. window's updates rarely broke the user's computer.



though really, i dunno if the above is the biggest contributing factor to linux's status as a movement primed to never go off.

personal opinion? the fratured nature of the community. there's what, about six major distros and maybe twice as many minor variants?

sure, they all fall into two main families, but when you have various portions of the community focusing their efforts on debian ubuntu fedora mint gnu gentoo bsd lmde kubuntu knoppix sunwah elive aptosid corel linux finnix damn small linux hikarunix *deep breath* freespire grml and a rather long list of others...*

now imagine if we'd all united behind one distro?**

topping at least apple's share would have been trivial.

*list credit goes to wikipedia. wow there's a lot of distros...

** the author would like to note that the free nature of linux, while being an obstacle to wide adoption, is probably one of its best features too. being able to go with what you want, how you want, is a bloody nice thing.

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Will Mint overtake Ubuntu?

Probably not. In much the same way that RedHat has become synonymous with Linux to the CTO crowd, Ubuntu has become synonymous with Linux to the public at large.

Will Mint overtake Windows?

No. Apple might though.

The vast majority of people will use what they are told to use because of peer pressure, advertising, or because that's what came with the equipment they just bought.
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first there was DOS... then early GUI enhanced DOS (Windows 3.1, etc.)... then Win95, then Win98, then... then WinXP, then... then Win7... I'm waiting for Windows L - a version of Windows running on a Linux kernel! I'm actually a bit surprised that we haven't seen one yet.

One nice thing about Linux is that MS can't buy it! :D

Will Mint overtake Windows - No, MS would react to Mint gaining market share over time in an effort to mitigate damages... Will Linux in general and Mint in particular cause Windoze to change in ways that will make it more Linux like - yes, probably.

The one to watch (IMHO) is Google Chrome OS...
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Reorx wrote:
The one to watch (IMHO) is Google Chrome OS...
you mean the glorified web-browser?

i mean, if all you've ever used in computing is a phone, then hey, it's the OS for you.

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ChromeOS does look interesting for some people, but it's not the same idea as Windows, OSX or regular Linux distros. It's comparing apples with oranges. I can see plenty of people buying one as a second device for taking on holiday etc, but it'll never be an alternate to a regular OS.
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ThistleWeb wrote:ChromeOS does look interesting for some people, but it's not the same idea as Windows, OSX or regular Linux distros. It's comparing apples with oranges. I can see plenty of people buying one as a second device for taking on holiday etc, but it'll never be an alternate to a regular OS.
I realize that at this point Chrome isn't all that interesting... but imagine if Google decided to go toe to toe with MS in the OS market... with the resources they command, they could quickly turn Chrome OS into a distro (force) to be reckoned with... and with increasing market share for Linux comes applications that are written for other environments besides Windoze... and the world would be a better place...

Yeah, I know,... I'm a "wanna believer"... :D
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I wonder if there are hard numbers anywhere.

How many Mint downloads thus far in the year as compared to thus far in previous years? And Ubuntu?
How many more online articles/videos published about Mint/Ubuntu thus far this year as compared to thus far in previous years?
Physical articles/videos?
How many more books will be published this year than previous year?
How many more new registers at Linux forums in general, thus far this year as compared to thus far in previous years?
How many more times do the words Ubuntu and Mint appear throughout the web (in comments, articles, titles, usernames, etc)?
What are Ubuntu's/Mint's stated plans? What are their official prospects, currently as opposed to in previous years?
How will/are the arrivals of OSs like Android and Chrome affecting (or expected to affect) mainstream sentiment regarding alternative OSs in general, especially free and open ones, and Linux in particular?

My guess is that the numbers are exploding faster than some people are able to see, or willing to admit. After years of Linux not being mainstream, I can imagine the difficulty recognizing the signs.

Will Mint be the OS to take Linux to Front Street? Assuming Ubuntu leads the charge, as they have and are, then if Mint offers a personalizable install, and if Mint remains based on Ubuntu, then I can see people waiting for each Mint release and simply ignoring/testing the Ubuntu release until then.
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Reorx wrote: I realize that at this point Chrome isn't all that interesting... but imagine if Google decided to go toe to toe with MS in the OS market... with the resources they command, they could quickly turn Chrome OS into a distro (force) to be reckoned with... and with increasing market share for Linux comes applications that are written for other environments besides Windoze... and the world would be a better place...

Yeah, I know,... I'm a "wanna believer"... :D
Before Google could even dream of taking on M$ in the OS market, they'd have to do a few things...

1)Add the ability to install and run software locally and not rely on "Cloud Computing".

2)Assist with other projects geared towards Linux, such as Mono, and WINE, or create their own forks. Both those will be needed to updated to match current M$ runtime library compatibility and performance standards. Why would they have to do this? I've already pointed out that Linux falls far short of being a "Complete" system in terms of what the majority of household users use their PC for. They aren't just for E-mail and Web-browsing any more. To be competitive with M$ a Goggle made OS will need to be able to promise software compatibility out of the box with software from the top commercial development groups. Eventually if a Goggle OS could gain enough market share, say 25-30% they could start leaning on developers to release native versions, right now no one except Apple has any leverage against M$ and the variety of for-profit software available to the Apple user is vastly inferior to what is available to Microsoft users. Improvement in these areas can help remove those few nagging truths about Linux... for me that one would be... "If you want to be able to play tons of popular games without issue, then Linux isn't for you." . Seriously this is an avenue Linux falls way short on. Do you guys realise that if the 1% estimate for Linux users is near being correct, there are more people playing World of Warcraft than there are Linux users world wide? We'd have to hit around 12% market share for Linux Users to be able to replace WoW's total player base.

3)The attitudes of a large portion of the Linux Communities (Since Chrome OS is Linux based) members will have to change. Many of us view Proprietary, and for Profit software as something "Bad" to be used as little as possible, others think it goes against the spirit of GNU and the FOSS movement and that it will limit creativity and growth of GNU/Linux based software. These are not an absolute truth, no one is going to make you or anyone else install proprietary software, the freedom of choice is still there.

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Re: Poll: Will Linux Mint overtake Ubuntu and/or even Window

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altair4 wrote:Will Mint overtake Ubuntu?

Probably not. In much the same way that RedHat has become synonymous with Linux to the CTO crowd, Ubuntu has become synonymous with Linux to the public at large.
Have you check distrowatch lately for the last 30 days and last 7 days :D

It will eventually as an ex ubuntu user myself, the changes they forced on everyone just ticked off a lot of folks which is why you see the flood of refuges making their way over here now, just like fedora.
As far as taking over windows well thats all comes down to one thing I found out by talking to a lot of windows users, do they even know they have a choice?
The average joe doesn't, they hear about mac, but the only time they hear about linux (if at all) is that it's some geeks system that only they know how to run themselves and is too complicated. (words I heard).
The ones I talked to are now using linux after finding out the benefits over windows (been busy installing mint a lot these days :D )
The one thing I heard over and over again, "we didn't even know we had a choice".
Heck I even got my 72 year old mother on lmde and having no issues and loves it better then windows.
She don't ever want to go back.
It's all about getting the word out I'm finding.
The gamers always have the game consels if they want to play, I like the simplier ones myself (warzone 2100) a great classic.
It's such a joy watching someone load linux for the first time after using windoze for years, (wow is this fast, look Im online already, I can't belive this, and I don't have to worry as much if at all about viruses anymore? and I can do everyhitng that could before and more in some cases? what I don't have to dish out hundreds for softaware they are going to make me pay again in a year for the new update?) the list goes on and on.
The old saying "if you build it they will come, well sometimes ya got to tell them it's there right in front of there eyeballs as well :lol: "
Can it take over windoze???????
ya betcha it can if the majority only knew more about it!
3)The attitudes of a large portion of the Linux Communities (Since Chrome OS is Linux based) members will have to change. Many of us view Proprietary, and for Profit software as something "Bad" to be used as little as possible, others think it goes against the spirit of GNU and the FOSS movement and that it will limit creativity and growth of GNU/Linux based software. These are not an absolute truth, no one is going to make you or anyone else install proprietary software, the freedom of choice is still there.
I would pay for some games myself if I liked them, I would rather have native linux based then run it through wine anyhow.
I am a graphic artist, have been an artist all my life (painting and computer) well ok computer since the 90's, I won't pay for any adobe software, mainly because I perfer gimp over photoshop and inkscape over illustrator, but that is the only reason, and a personal choice, even when forced to use adobe on wondoze for work, I always install gimpers and inkscape on their systems to use that instead, more then they usually liked :twisted:

But yup I would pay for it if it was something I wanted and it was good just to have it native.
Well thats my 2 cents tossed into the plate :mrgreen:

Sam
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