MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

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MintUpdate-Debian is it safe to use

what is MintUpdate-Debian?
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use it since day 1 and trust "him"
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is not bad, but misses (see my post...)
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tried it, but nahh, went back to the cli/synaptic
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i miss the old one!!
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby khaos » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:28 am

How to open the MintUpdate-Debian? I have 3 update pack installed but I can't find it

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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby khaos » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:28 am

How to open the MintUpdate-Debian? I have 3 update pack installed but I can't find it.
I only have the Update Manager :S

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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby yaye » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:23 am

khaos wrote:How to open the MintUpdate-Debian? I have 3 update pack installed but I can't find it.
I only have the Update Manager :S


They are the same thing. :)
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:12 am

My system is working fine excerpt for the Update Manager. A few weeks ago it started with hanging after being started. Before that it worked flawlessly. The only way to end it is by agreeing to kill the process as it is not responding anymore. I'm using the advised repositories for "testing". I couldn't find any thread/post about a hanging update-manager, so I'm trying here to find anyone with an idea about what might be wrong. Thanks.
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby secipolla » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:56 pm

msbln wrote:My system is working fine excerpt for the Update Manager. A few weeks ago it started with hanging after being started. Before that it worked flawlessly. The only way to end it is by agreeing to kill the process as it is not responding anymore. I'm using the advised repositories for "testing". I couldn't find any thread/post about a hanging update-manager, so I'm trying here to find anyone with an idea about what might be wrong. Thanks.

Well, actually for the Mint tools to work properly you should stick to the incoming/latest repos. They are already somewhat behind Debian 'testing' repos so maybe that's why the Update Manager broke (I don't use Mint, just Debian but this is kind of a common sense answer).

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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:12 am

Ok, I'm always confused about what version I'm running. Here are my repos:

deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free

Well, is that "latest" or "testing". Looks like I mixed the two and it is "latest" not "testing", right?
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:27 am

Ok, I found out:

- it is Latest
- repos are fine

It's working again. I hat a lot of notes and more lines in my resources.list. I deleted everything excerpt the 4 lines stated in the post before. Result: the Update Manager doesn't hang anymore.
One question remains: what Update Pack is on my system already? The Update Manager states: "Current Update Pack available: 3". What does that mean? Is it already on my system or do I still have to install it?
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby zerozero » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:31 am

msbin,
and what it says in the next line:
"Latest Update Pack used by this system"
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:40 pm

"Latest Update Pack used by this system: N/A"

So I guess I'm not using any Update Pack. But the Update Manager finishes always with "Your system is up to date".
Maybe I don't need any Update Pack? I'm a litte confused. Is everything alright or do I have to do something manually.
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby zerozero » Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:30 pm

msbin,
i believe that the answer for your questions is here:
I hat a lot of notes and more lines in my resources.list. I deleted everything excerpt the 4 lines stated in the post before

without knowing exactly what was there (specially the others repos in there) we are a bit in the dark, but my guess is that somewhere there in the middle you had testing repos, you update your system in the meantime, and now mintupdate can't recognize the UP in use in the system;

my advise, if everything is working fine, keep it that way, all will resolved with UP4, if any error occur (like you want to install a program and get a msg saying that you can't because of unmet dependencies) you know why that happens :D
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby bootmakr » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:24 pm

I think MUD is a good name for it, I belive it destroyed an install of mine! I'm a forgiving person, so I've re-installed LMDE with a different version, tried the Mint Updater Debian again, .... it's working as I type .... I'll see if I like it better after the update! I had forgotten about smxi, haven't used it since sidux, I'll go check it out, but I have always liked to use the CLI way of updating/upgrading.

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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:34 pm

@ zerozero

Thanks for the advise. I have no problem with waiting for UP4 as long the Update Manager is able to recognize it and to pull it in.

On ANOTHER system I've just installed the current LMDE-release (Sept.2011).

The repos of the freshly installed system are:

deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free

Maybe they should be checked first, before starting any update/upgrade-process. I'm confused about finding "latest" and "testing" repos mixed in here. Is that alright?
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby bootmakr » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:13 pm

Due to another botched update (startup blackouts for 10 minutes or so), and, of course a subsequent re-install, I am only using

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apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
for now, which is working fine for me. I'll be holding off on using the updater until all the bugs are worked out, since I'm not a computer geek by nature or by experience :wink:

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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:22 pm

@ bootmakr

I've shortened my last post in order to make it simpler. I cut out the question about the correct updating sequence and saved it for later. Thanks for being so quick to share your experiences. I'll keep your answer in mind.
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby bootmakr » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:40 pm

msbln wrote:@ bootmakr

I've shortened my last post in order to make it simpler. I cut out the question about the correct updating sequence and saved it for later. Thanks for being so quick to share your experiences. I'll keep that in mind.


Hi msbin;

My sources are the same and these work fine. I've commented out the ones that I tried and don't work.

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free


I*'m no geek, but I believe that you will get an answer from someone that indicates that the linuxmint repo that shows 'latest testing' is just a naming convention that has to be used or something. The last two repos, if you went thru the MUD would be automatically changed to 'linuxmint latest' with update 3, I think. Also, I think that you can change the 'latest' to 'incoming' and you will get updates that are more in line with Debian 'testing' repos without the LMDE team fine-tuning them to work better with LMDE. I may be talking out of school here, but I think that is what I have read on several forum comments and the blogs, etc.

I've used italics here to show that this is my understanding of what I have read, not necessarily talking for LMDE :wink:

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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:12 pm

@bootmakr

Well, looks like I should do an backup-image and try the different update/upgrade-processes (in the next days).
Thanks for your information.
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby zerozero » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:29 pm

msbin, if you didn't update this newly installed system yet good :)
take a look at this topic viewtopic.php?f=185&t=82346 where you are going to see:
- the correct (if you want to stay in sync with the UP) sources.list that you should use from now on (and before any update)
- the fix for one most probably error (gstreamer) that is going to popup during the update process
- if you're using a 32bit kernel make sure (after the update is finish) to install the headers for the new kernel

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sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae


- latest and incoming are virtually the same, with the only difference being that UP reaches incoming a few days sooner for testing porposes
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:11 pm

zerozero,
Freshly installed system is unchanged yet. After editing the repos to ...

deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free

... the UpdateManager still offers to update "mintupdate-debian" 1.0.3 to 1.0.4.

Is it advisable to do that or should I work with the terminal instead ?
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby zerozero » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:29 pm

for these big updates i would go with the command line update (you have more control)
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Re: MintUpdate-Debian - is it now safe to use?

Postby msbln » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:41 pm

What I've done so far:

0) Fresh install of LMDE (Sept2011)
1) sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
2) sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad_0.10.22-3_i386.deb
3) sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
4) sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae

Update Manager now tells me the system is up to date,
although the UP-Info states that UpdatePackage 2 is still used and UP3 is available.

What UP is under the hood now?
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