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LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by johnb0647 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:53 pm

I downloaded the LM17 64 bit install iso and installed on an older desktop with an Intel Pentium D X2 CPU.

Everything seemed OK during the install and almost everything seems to work OK...

.... almost!

Problem is that the software manager won't show me a number of apps that it did after I sett up my AMD desktop (Athlon II X2 240 2.8 ghz) with the same LiveCD... like cheese and hardinfo.

I noticed during the initial system update, right after LM17 install, that a lot of packages with AMD in the names flashed by.

Is it possible that this obsolete CPU confused LM17 installer into thinking it is and AMD chip?

Do I need to do anything about it?

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Re: LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by colyn » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:46 am

64 bit files are named either amd-64 or x-64. Either way they are the same so no your computer was not confused..

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Re: LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by nomko » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:58 am

colyn wrote:64 bit files are named either amd-64 or x-64.
Correctly written it is AMD64 or x86-64. It is called AMD64 for the reason that the AMD64 (64-bit processor architecture) was developed by AMD. Intel has a variant that goes through life as EM64T. But in general even the 64-bit Intel cpu's are called AMD64 or x86-64.
Problem is that the software manager won't show me a number of apps that it did after I sett up my AMD desktop (Athlon II X2 240 2.8 ghz) with the same LiveCD... like cheese and hardinfo.
Did you checked Synaptic also if you can find them there? Cheese, for instance, is not an application which is installed by default.
I noticed during the initial system update, right after LM17 install, that a lot of packages with AMD in the names flashed by.
On which system did you noticed this? The Intel based system or the AMD based system?
Everything seemed OK during the install and almost everything seems to work OK...
Can you gives us an idea of what doesn't work or what you think you miss?
Is it possible that this obsolete CPU confused LM17 installer into thinking it is and AMD chip?
I won't say obsolote cpu, rather a technical outdated cpu ;) But the cpu is good enough to run Linux. But in most cases it's not the cpu which predicts whether Linux can be installed or not, it's more the amount of memory and graphic card/onboard GPU.

For both systems, can you ruin the following terminal command and paste the output here:

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inxi -Fxz

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Re: LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by johnb0647 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:36 pm

.... and I was trying so hard to be clear! <G>

OK.... on the machine with the actual AMD CPU, I go to LM Software Manager and do a search for "cheese", then "hardinfo". It finds both, one at a time of course, and installs them without incident.

On the machine with the INTEL PENTIUM D CPU, I go to LM Software manager and do a search for "cheese" .... nothing found. I do a search for "hardinfo" ... nothing found.

Something must be confused there......yes?

TIA

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Re: LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by johnb0647 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:49 pm

Don't know if this is part of the issue.

Just ran Update Mgr again on the Intel machine .... just to be sure. This time I watched the output. Strangely the "refresh" pass couldn't find MANY of the sources. This was NOT a problem with the AMD machine.

Here are the errors:

Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.201 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dis ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.150 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dis ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.150 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/adilson/experi ... ce/Sources 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/adilson/experi ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/adilson/experi ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ... 6/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80]
Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

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Re: LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by nomko » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:03 am

johnb0647 wrote:Don't know if this is part of the issue.
Just ran Update Mgr again on the Intel machine .... just to be sure. This time I watched the output. Strangely the "refresh" pass couldn't find MANY of the sources. This was NOT a problem with the AMD machine.
Is this what you get all the time? Or is this the first time?
I know this can happen when the server, on which those files are "parked", is down for maintenance or is down due to network problems or other server-related issues.

Ty to use another server. You cna select another server in the Software sources menu.

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SOLVED: LM17 on old cpu - seems confused

Post by johnb0647 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:20 pm

Many thanks for the "software sources" tip. Changed to another mirror and things went like skyrockets.

So many updates it took 45 min to download.

Software Manager now shows me everything I want and download speed is greatly improved.

The Software Sources subroutine is VERY impressive. While looking over the list of substitute sources I was called away for a few minutes and returned to find SS had done speed tests on available sources and relisted them by speed. A university in Taiwan was several times faster than anything else. Fabulous.

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