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How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by since2019 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:17 pm

Is an old laptop (2007) Toshiba Satellite A135-S4527 and my disc drive (DVDRW) is broke, is an old laptop with the latest BIOS version.
The USB boot is not available on the BIOS as well.

Is there an option to boot with USB via grub or the boot menu of Linux Mint? (the one that appears apparently if you press c).

The hardware is not powerful enough and I've already installed the Linux Mint Cinnamon version and i need to install the Linux Mint Xfce version.
There is no disc drive, only a USB maked with UNetbootin.

I'm in trouble without options to install the adequate version for the old hardware.

Please help for real
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Re: USB boot through Grub if BIOS USB boot unavailable?

Post by athi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:09 pm

Try this tutorial, you will be using the BIOS instructions
https://askubuntu.com/questions/484434/ ... nd-usb-how
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by Spearmint2 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:10 pm

In your BIOS, perhaps the USB flashdrive is found under the Hard Drives section? That's where I go in my BIOS to chose a USB flashdrive to boot. It is listed there as a hard drive.
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by phd21 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:12 pm

Hi since2019,

I just read your post and the replies to it, here are my thoughts as well.

Fyi, you can get a usb DVD burner for around $20 us at Amazon.com.

I have read that some older computers do not show usb options unless a usb drive is connected when the computer is turned on.

Hope this helps...
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by athi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:18 pm

USB boot came in around the same time as the core2duo, I had a bunch of system that only boot from floppy or CD. Kind of showing my age.
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by since2019 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:59 am

I'm not in the US, is a "third world country", there are options to buy from amazon and best buy but is difficult. My plan is to buy an refurbished or an used Disc Drive time soon, it could take months, perhaps in 2020; i really not sure.

Of course is a core duo processor with USB 2.0 support.
The BIOS is OEM it means is limited, not a lot of options. The USB boot is not available. If i connect a USB and then power up the old laptop and entering the BIOS, the USB should appear on the menu?. I don't have a bootable USB made with UNetbootin only one USB with files or documents. If i use it, should appear as an option on the OEM BIOS?

I will try soon and make available the findings.

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by athi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:18 am

If USB is not listed in the boot option in BIOS, good chance that you cannot boot from USB. To make sure, if you have access to a bootable USB, boot with it installed, enter BIOS setup and expand all the boot options. Some BIOS reports USB as HDD and would not be visible without expanding the HDD section.

You say Cinnamon is installed on the machine already, you can run below command in Terminal (ctrl+alt+t) to output system specification and post results here between the </> icon above the reply box. This will help us better assist you.

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inxi -Fxz
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by phd21 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:35 pm

Hi since2019,

Your original post states that your Toshiba has the current Bios updates, are you sure about that, does it show 2016?

It would help to know more about your system setup. If you run "inxi -Fxzd" and "lsusb" from the console terminal prompt, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.

Solved! Boot to USB on older Toshiba Satellite Pro
https://forums.tomsguide.com/threads/bo ... ro.440428/

BIOS Setup / BIOS settings -- access instructions
https://support.dynabook.com/sscontent?docId=98081013

FYI: The USB stick might have to be 2gb or 4gb and formatted as "fat32" because anything larger might not be recognized by your older computer.
since2019 wrote:I'm not in the US, is a "third world country", there are options to buy from amazon and best buy but is difficult. My plan is to buy an refurbished or an used Disc Drive time soon, it could take months, perhaps in 2020; i really not sure.
Most USB DVD/CD/Blu-Ray burner writer drives should work on Linux, but read product descriptions and user comments. Ebay sells everything including these and some might even be less than $20us. I know that the "LG" USB DVD/CD/Blu-Ray burners work because I use one. "Asus" DVD/CD/Blu-Ray drives usually work as well. If you had a working DVD / CD drive, you could boot to either the bootable version of "SuperGrub2" or "PLoP" to then have it boot the bootable USB stick even if your computer's Bios does not support it. Do you know anyone with an external USB DVD burner that you can borrow or take your computer over to them to use for this? You can also use any working DVD/CD burner writer including internal ones if you have a USB to IDE/PATA/Sata 3.5inch drive adapter with its own power supply.
since2019 wrote:Of course is a core duo processor with USB 2.0 support.The BIOS is OEM it means is limited, not a lot of options. The USB boot is not available. If i connect a USB and then power up the old laptop and entering the BIOS, the USB should appear on the menu?. I don't have a bootable USB made with UNetbootin only one USB with files or documents. If i use it, should appear as an option on the OEM BIOS?
If the Bios supports USB drives, and you stick any formatted USB stick (fat32, NTFS) into a USB port with the power off, then power on the computer and go into its Bios, it might show USB options. If the USB stick does not contain a bootable system on it, then it might not show even if it does have the older USB capability.

I would highly recommend installing your computer's Bios updates when you can and then your computer might even include USB support. If you know anyone with a working computer using MS Windows or Linux or Mac, you can download your computer's Bios update files, create a bootable Bios update on a USB stick using "unetbootin" (format as fat32 first) using the instructions from the Links provided or just select FreeDos v1 when that is finished copy the Bios updates to the USB stick. But, if your computer does not support booting to a USB stick, then you still need a DVD/CD drive to boot to "SuperGrub2" or "PLoP" to be able to update your Bios from a USB stick.


Hope this helps ...
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by since2019 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:02 pm

My disc drive before broke it was working. But, after several burning linux software uses, there where not an option for burn at 1x.
1x was working before with Windows, net framework and CDBurnerXP. With Linux, CDBurnerXP doesn't work at all.
Updates follow to some year, the BIOS got the latest available 1.90. At some point, there is no more updates, is like a rule. There will be no more than 1.90.

I'm in a third world country, to find a replacement internal DVD burner at ebay can take me months, maybe in 2020.
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by phd21 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:10 pm

Hi since2019,

I just updated my last reply when you replied, please re-read it.

I thought I saw a Bios update v2.0 for your computer.

You might also be able to find a replacement internal DVD burner for your laptop on Ebay and elsewhere for a reasonable price.

*** ebay Toshiba Satellite A135-S4527 dvd burner
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... r&_sacat=0

ebay Toshiba Satellite A135-S4527 dvd drive replacement - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACY ... CAo&uact=5

Hope this helps ...
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by JeremyB » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:27 pm

Since you have Mint already installed, reboot and when you see the grub menu, press c for command line, then type ls to get a list of drives and partitions
Then try ls (hd0)and ls (hd1) and see if one comes up with results that say filesystem type iso9660 - Label Linux Mint 19
then do set root=(hd?) replace ? with whatever number it was, then chainloader +1 then do boot

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by Spearmint2 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:29 pm

I've already installed the Linux Mint Cinnamon version and i need to install the Linux Mint Xfce version.
There is no disc drive, only a USB made with UNetbootin. I'm in trouble without options to install the adequate version for the old hardware.
Do you have a second USB flashdrive available? If you are booted into Cinnamon, with the second USB drive plugged in, can you see it in the file manager? Does lsblk run in terminal/console see it?
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by since2019 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:32 pm

Website:
https://support.dynabook.com/support/mo ... Id=3333615

Latest official:
ACPI Flash BIOS version 1.90 for Satellite A130 (PSAD0U/PSAD3U)
Posted Date: 2016-08-24 | Version: 1.90 | Size: 4.06M

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by Spearmint2 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:51 pm

Odd, my computer is older than yours (2009) and no problem booting from USB. Yours is UEFI. Have you turned off "secure boot" and then tried? Also read you may need to insert USB drive before powering on the computer. It seems you MUST get into CSM mode and out of UEFI mode on that model.


https://dfarq.homeip.net/how-to-boot-a- ... -from-usb/

https://forums.tomsguide.com/threads/bo ... ro.440428/



https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads ... b.1576663/
hey guys! I've just jumped into the Toshiba world and picked up my first Satellite. After not being able to boot from USB, and having a VERY frustrating experience with technical support, I feel obliged to provide the more clear answer to anyone else searching with this same problem. It is not simply enough to change your boot priority to 'USB'

The answer is you have to disable 'Fast Startup' within windows, and then 'Secure Boot' in the bios, and once you've changed Secure boot to disabled you can then change your Boot option to 'CSM' instead of 'UEFI'. THEN, you can change the boot order priority to 'USB' first and it will actually boot your bootable usb device.

Warning: When you change to 'CSM' boot option, your computer will no longer boot Windows until you go back and change the boot option back to 'UEFI'.

Instructions on how to disable Fast Startup (which then gives you the ability to boot into bios) :
(more at the link above)
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by athi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:18 pm

Is an old laptop (2007) Toshiba Satellite A135-S4527 and my disc drive (DVDRW) is broke, is an old laptop with the latest BIOS version.
The USB boot is not available on the BIOS as well.
That laptop has 32bits Pentium T2080, shipped with 1GB DDR2 and max out at 2GB. Cannot find out much on the BIOS and USB boot maybe available. Only way to tell is to try to boot from USB and OP stated on the first post that he cannot boot from USB and his DVD is non-functional.
https://support.dynabook.com/support/st ... Id=1713015

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

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System:    Host: Satellite-A135 Kernel: 4.15.0-62-generic i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 
           Desktop: Cinnamon 4.2.4 Distro: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite A135 v: PSAD0U-05400P 
           serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: TOSHIBA model: IAKAA v: 1.00 serial: <filter> BIOS: TOSHIBA v: 1.90 
           date: 01/12/2009 
Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 59.2 Wh condition: 59.2/59.2 Wh (100%) model: TOSHIBA PA3465U 
           status: Unknown 
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel T2080 bits: 32 type: MCP arch: M Yonah rev: C 
           L2 cache: 1024 KiB 
           flags: nx pae sse sse2 sse3 bogomips: 6916 
           Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/1733 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2: 798 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics 
           vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.4 Mesa 19.0.8 
           direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio 
           vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-62-generic 
Network:   Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter 
           vendor: Askey WLL3140 802.11bg driver: ath5k v: kernel port: 18c0 bus ID: 04:00.0 
           IF: wlp4s0 state: up mac: <filter> 
           Device-2: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet 
           vendor: Toshiba America Info Systems driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 4000 
           bus ID: 05:00.0 
           IF: enp5s0 state: down mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 111.79 GiB used: 29.95 GiB (26.8%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HTS541612J9SA00 size: 111.79 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 58.42 GiB used: 10.83 GiB (18.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
           ID-2: /home size: 47.36 GiB used: 19.12 GiB (40.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 3.81 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0 C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Info:      Processes: 178 Uptime: 19m Memory: 1.89 GiB used: 578.1 MiB (29.8%) Init: systemd 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.4.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.20 inxi: 3.0.32

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by jglen490 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:39 pm

I have an equally old Toshiba. inxi shows exactly the same System: Host:, Machine:, and CPU: entries. With a USB drive inserted BEFORE power on, the USB shows up in BIOS as an "HDD", and is selectable as a boot device when selecting F12 on boot. The sequence of operations is key with these old guys :wink:
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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by ricardogroetaers » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:00 am

Hello since2019,
Surely your 2007 core duo laptop, more modern than mine, boots from a usb stick or a memory card inserted, if applicable, into a usb adapter.

Obviously the flash drive must be bootable. It will be recognized as a disc.
Not as a hard drive, of course, but it will appear in the setup in the "boot sequence" or similar options.
Enable in setup everything that refers to usb, highlighting the option "usb legacy support" or similar, if any.

A sata CD/DVD drive reader/writer for laptop here in Brazil costs about R$ 120,00 which is equivalent to approximately US$ 30,00. An external usb drive costs approximately US$ 20,00.

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Re: How to boot USB without BIOS USB boot support?

Post by phd21 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:43 pm

Hi since2019,

I do not see anything wrong with the results of the "inxi -Fxzd" console terminal command, so that is a good thing. Your computer is 32-bit with only 2gb of system memory (ram).

You would probably be better off using a 32-bit version of Linux Mint Mate or Xfce with your computer.

You should try the various options to boot to a USB Stick that have been provided. The suggestion from "JeremyB" is one that I have not seen before that might work for you as well. I had a couple of IBM NetVista 32-bit computers that I could never get to boot from a USB stick or USB drive, but for some reason would boot to the USB external DVD burner and obviously would boot to its internal DVD burner where I could run "SuperGrub2" or "PLoP" to boot to a bootable USB stick.

You might also consider getting a good used 64-bit computer from Ebay or locally from somewhere because it is well known that 32-bit software is being phased out, not being developed or maintained, by a lot of software developers. Most people almost anywhere could find a decent working used 64-bit laptop or desktop computer for around $50us or less on Ebay or locally.
I think the various Chromebook computers with Intel CPU processors will work with Linux or Linux Mint, make sure it is 64-bit.
How To Easily Install Linux on Chromebook
https://www.ubuntupit.com/easily-instal ... hromebook/

How to Install Linux on a Chromebook
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/inst ... chromebook

How To Install Cinnamon Desktop On A Chromebook With Crouton - Linux.com
https://www.linux.com/tutorials/how-ins ... k-crouton/
Laptops & Netbooks for sale | eBay
https://www.ebay.com/b/Laptops-Netbooks ... &_udhi=350

Although I saw some used internal DVD burners and DVD read only with CD burners for your laptop for $12us available on Ebay, I don't know if their free shipping would include where you are located, but you can always ask them. And, I still think it would be better for anyone using a 32-bit computer to get a used or new 64-bit computer.

Laptops & Netbooks for sale | eBay $20-$50us
https://www.ebay.com/b/Laptops-Netbooks ... 0&_udlo=20

Toshiba Satellite Touchscreen C55t 15.6"(Celeron N2820 2.13Ghz) - 4 GB 500 GB, $20us
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-Satell ... Sw0v1ddsqc

14" Dell Latitude E6420 i5-2520M 2.50GHZ 4GB 160GB Windows 10 Pro Notebook, $20.50us
https://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Dell-Latitu ... SwyTtdOfaJ


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