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linux mint name change

Post by callmejoe » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:11 pm

any thought ever put into dropping the Linux from Linux MInt? i dont see why you need to say "linux mint" . "mint" is enough.

"hey what distro you on?"...."mint"

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Re: linux mint name change

Post by smurphos » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:20 pm

Linux Mint is a trademarked name...

Mint on it's own might invite confusion with - https://www.mint.com/
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by gm10 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:42 pm

smurphos wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:20 pm
Linux Mint is a trademarked name...
It's not a registered trademark, so it's not like there's much attached to it (other than brand recognition). But as you said, the word Mint is too commonplace to stand on its own really.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by Moem » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:07 pm

Linux users will recognize the name 'Mint' by itself. I use it like that all the time and no one has sued me yet. :D
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by cliffcoggin » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:29 pm

I always refer to it in this forum as simply Mint. In the wider world I call it Linux, which is so rarely recognised that adding the Mint suffix would be pointless.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by HaveaMint » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:21 pm

Call it Minix Lint and everyone will notice!
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by callmejoe » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:03 pm

HaveaMint wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:21 pm
Call it Minix Lint and everyone will notice!
has my vote!

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Re: linux mint name change

Post by catweazel » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:35 pm

callmejoe wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:11 pm
any thought ever put into dropping the Linux from Linux MInt? i dont see why you need to say "linux mint" . "mint" is enough.

"hey what distro you on?"...."mint"
You could figure out one reason yourself by doing two google searches, one for mint and one for linux mint. The results are startlingly different.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by all41 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:02 pm

catweazel wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:35 pm
callmejoe wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:11 pm
any thought ever put into dropping the Linux from Linux MInt? i dont see why you need to say "linux mint" . "mint" is enough.

"hey what distro you on?"...."mint"
You could figure out one reason yourself by doing two google searches, one for mint and one for linux mint. The results are startlingly different.

You could figure out one reason yourself by doing two google searches, one for joe and one for callmejoe. The results are startlingly different.

You could also search cameljoe to get stranger results :mrgreen:

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Re: linux mint name change

Post by catweazel » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:19 pm

LuvNix wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:41 pm
This is one of those topics, no matter how many times I see it can't help but say WTH !?!!? Why and what could motivate someone to waste cyberspace on this type of thing ? Why am I adding to it too ? It's called Linux Mint cause the people who created, maintain and develop it want to call it Linux Mint. Thought such would be painfully self explanatory, as would posting objections or propositions that something like this should be changed is amazingly ridiculous. Do you email the band, The Rolling Stones and propose they change it to just the Stones ? Too much time on someones hands and really, really ... REALLY just want to post something on an internet web forum or what ? :D

Though hades this type of thread is whatever is a few categories under troll bait on the net forum richter scale, shrugs. Yeah sure random person who has absolutely no association with our distribution, nor even the slightest standing of any sort with anything open source either. We'll be sure to rename our distro, as you think we should. :D OP ... please step away from the keyboard dude.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by all41 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:28 am

How could you claim trademark "Mint'"?
Perhaps lawyers could?

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Re: linux mint name change

Post by ugly » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:04 am

all41 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:28 am
How could you claim trademark "Mint'"?
Perhaps lawyers could?
Of course you can get a trademark on "Mint". So long as nobody else is using the mark for the same goods or services.

For example, here is one

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Re: linux mint name change

Post by murray » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Intel used to trademark numbers that they used in their CPU models (eg 286, 386, etc). Until I judge decided that it wasn't appropriate for a company to own a trademark for a simple number. That's when they started using proper names, eg Pentium, for their CPUs.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by BG405 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:52 pm

Moem wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:07 pm
Linux users will recognize the name 'Mint' by itself.
Yes .. but people not familiar with Linux won't know what it is. Many people who have heard of Linux will know about Mint, though. :)
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:04 am
Of course you can get a trademark on "Mint". So long as nobody else is using the mark for the same goods or services.
I didn't know that. Thanks. I assumed all instances of the trademarked word were exclusively "owned".
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:43 pm
That's when they started using proper names, eg Pentium, for their CPUs.
Ah, but what about Core™? That one really bugs me for some reason. :roll:
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by ugly » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:02 am

murray wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:43 pm
Intel used to trademark numbers that they used in their CPU models (eg 286, 386, etc). Until I judge decided that it wasn't appropriate for a company to own a trademark for a simple number. That's when they started using proper names, eg Pentium, for their CPUs.
No, that's a bit of a myth. You can trademark a number. But with a number it is a bit more difficult to show distinctiveness. I believe that issue with Intel had to do with their chip names becoming 'generic'.
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I didn't know that. Thanks. I assumed all instances of the trademarked word were exclusively "owned".
You can use a mark in association with particular goods or services. So you can have the same words or phrases trademarked by different people, so long as it is for different things.

The basic theory is that the customer shouldn't be confused as to the source of the goods or services. So, for example, if there was a lawnmower on sale named 'Mint', you wouldn't think that the Linux Mint team was behind it. But if there was a web browser called 'Mint' it would be more likely to think that the Linux Mint team was behind it.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:52 pm
Ah, but what about Core™? That one really bugs me for some reason. :roll:
I'm not sure if Intel owns a mark for just 'core'. A mark can't be merely descriptive. So, Intel couldn't trademark 'processor'. Core might be cutting it a bit close. I did a quick search and it looks like they own 'Intel Core'. But it doesn't look like they disclaimed the use of 'core'.

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Re: linux mint name change

Post by BG405 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:15 pm

ugly wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:02 am
I'm not sure if Intel owns a mark for just 'core'. A mark can't be merely descriptive. So, Intel couldn't trademark 'processor'. Core might be cutting it a bit close. I did a quick search and it looks like they own 'Intel Core'. But it doesn't look like they disclaimed the use of 'core'.
I agree with what you say but their advertising & published stuff does lead one to believe they actually have a trademark on just the word "Core" due to the way it's written and presented i.e. Intel® Core™. ;) I did find this though:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... -core.html
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by gm10 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:23 pm

BG405 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:15 pm
I agree with what you say but their advertising & published stuff does lead one to believe they actually have a trademark on just the word "Core" due to the way it's written and presented i.e. Intel® Core™. ;)
Usually:

® = registered trademark
™ = unregistered trademark

However, Intel has Intel Core registered internationally, so my best guess would be they are using it for goods & services outside of the scope of their registered mark but which they want to claim protection for from an unregistered mark.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by lsemmens » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:08 pm

Here's a thought! Why don't we change it's name to Linux Windows, then we'll suddenly have a HUGE market share. ;) :lol: Of course, that could present a few problems with the loyal Linux users who have abandoned the spyware that M$ Windows has become.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by jglen490 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:57 pm

catweazel wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:19 pm
LuvNix wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:41 pm
This is one of those topics, no matter how many times I see it can't help but say WTH !?!!? Why and what could motivate someone to waste cyberspace on this type of thing ? Why am I adding to it too ? It's called Linux Mint cause the people who created, maintain and develop it want to call it Linux Mint. Thought such would be painfully self explanatory, as would posting objections or propositions that something like this should be changed is amazingly ridiculous. Do you email the band, The Rolling Stones and propose they change it to just the Stones ? Too much time on someones hands and really, really ... REALLY just want to post something on an internet web forum or what ? :D

Though hades this type of thread is whatever is a few categories under troll bait on the net forum richter scale, shrugs. Yeah sure random person who has absolutely no association with our distribution, nor even the slightest standing of any sort with anything open source either. We'll be sure to rename our distro, as you think we should. :D OP ... please step away from the keyboard dude.
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Re: linux mint name change

Post by tovian » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:50 am

catweazel wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:19 pm
I think you ought to pull your head in.
jglen490 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:57 pm
Or, perhaps - out?
Other name-change requests that have come up recently...

Scotch and Soda ===> Transit of Mercury
knife ===> kilogram of olives
Catweazel ===> Queen Latifah
alarm clock ===> strawberry
and, attempting to confuse almost everyone: Deutschland ===> Los Angeles

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