Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by Pippin » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:00 am

GS3 wrote:
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Can someone explain to me in detail exactly what privacy the user of a VPN gains?
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So many misconceptions yes, ...a lot of VPN providers and clueless parrots.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by murray » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:52 pm

GS3 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:45 am
Can someone explain to me in detail exactly what privacy the user of a VPN gains? Because I believe it goes from marginal to non existent as Tom Scott says in the video I linked to.
Well said.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by Netherprovinc3 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:34 pm

GS3 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:45 am
So, please cease the vague political posturing and explain in concise detail what a VPN can do for the average user. Inquiring minds want to know.
When you don't want your ISP/ a big tech company/ the website owner knowing your every move.
Examples:
You want to be hired by one of these places & you have a controversial belief (or a political belief that you are active in supporting).
Download or host torrents

There are also reasons that might not be so obvious (or even exist this second). For example, lookup services for users on a dating website. You might want to shield some of your personal life from such an informational database.

Much of the time you will want to connect to the VPN & use just for some private browsing. Then, return to normal life.

One thing that I am not too knowledgeable about is the DNS lookup process. Maybe a VPN can provide help with encrypting that traffic.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by GS3 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:40 am

Netherprovinc3 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:34 pm
One thing that I am not too knowledgeable about is the DNS lookup process. Maybe a VPN can provide help with encrypting that traffic.
It is true that up until now DNS was done in the clear but encrypted DNS encryption is being implemented and can be used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_over_HTTPS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSCrypt
https://blog.cloudflare.com/dns-encryption-explained/
https://www.wired.com/story/dns-over-ht ... ypted-web/

In any case, I think we agree that there might be a very few cases where using a VPN might make sense but in the great majority of cases people are using VPNs based on unfounded fears of insecurity.

And, again, while using a VPN might have an advantage to a specific user, it also comes with a cost, not only monetary but also in latency and the fact that some servers will block known VPNs.

If you do not want your boss to know you are visiting pron sites while on the clock then the best and easiest solution is to do it at home when off the clock. If you want to harass a web site that has blocked your IP or attack a bank web site they will probably block all VPNs because they want to know and control who is connecting to their servers.

So, in summary, to anyone asking "do I need to use a VPN?" the answer is almost certainly "No" but the followup question might be "what problem are you trying to solve?" If you are asking the answer is probably "no". The very few who might benefit from a VPN mostly already understand the issues involved.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:39 am

I have never found the need to use a VPN...in my browser, i use not only the brave browser brave shields, but also ublock origins as well as ublock origins extra, as well as privacy possum and trace which i have configured to use all of its assets, and also browser plugs for chrome/chromium as well....with all of these in play, it changes my ip address as well as even a false browser and OS that im actually using....right now its broadcasting that im using safari browser on windows 10...we all know that this is impossible...so do you really need to use a VPN...NO...im throwing up such a disgusting gut wrenching misinformation that a VPN cannot compare...DAMIEN
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by murray » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:40 pm

Mostly I'm against using a VPN for all the good reasons that have been mentioned here already (cost, can slow things down, don't really offer much privacy, etc). There are only a few situations where using a VPN might be considered necessary:

1. To get around geo-blocking (although not all VPNs give you the ability to select which country you want to be seen coming from).
2. If your country has very poor privacy laws (most Western countries have pretty good privacy laws which should stop your ISP from spying on you, fortunately I live in such a country).

For those still not convinced and think that they really need a VPN to stay safe or keep things private, have a read of Don't use VPN services.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by GS3 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:10 am

murray wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:40 pm
1. To get around geo-blocking (although not all VPNs give you the ability to select which country you want to be seen coming from).
This is a very interesting and valid point which I encounter quite often.

There is the issue of providers of streaming content who, for commercial reasons, want to limit the geographical area they serve. I do not use this so I have never encountered this problem.

But there is also the issue of many "text-based" sites which do this too for other reasons, mainly because they do not want to be subject and comply with the laws local to the computer accessing their site. Now it seems every site you visit has several pop-ups asking you to agree to cookies and a bunch of other things. Many American sites, rather than comply with European laws and regulations, have decided to not serve requests coming from Europe. IMHO this is unfortunate and unnecessary. I find it ridiculous that every site needs to warn about using cookies. Come on! And, in any case, I cannot see why a site located in North America should comply with European laws. This discussion is very complex but, in my view, web sites should not need to self-censor at their origin in order to comply with the laws of foreign places.

I would pass laws protecting sites in my own territory. If you comply with our laws you are protected from lawsuits from other countries. If they want they can block your site there but let them do it if they want.

It is unfortunate that many people do not have access to the news they want to read. We complain about government censorship in some countries but in Europe and America we have sites self-censoring due to government regulations, which is pretty much the same thing in cause and effect.

Many American news sites will not serve their pages to Europe. Mostly I get around that by using the remote desktop with a computer located in America. We are a lucky extended family in China, Europe and America and we have and give access to our computers so everybody can access and read whatever sites they want.

Another issue is banks and other sites which restrict access from foreign countries fro security reasons, in order to avoid attacks. I do not know enough about this but I hear there might be many Nigerian princes trying to get in or out of Banks' websites. I do not know if geo-blocking really resolves the issue but I do know it is a pain to not be able to access your American bank's website when you are abroad. Again, no problem for me and my family but all these are valid issues which should be resolved with adequate security. It should be possible for a bank to allow access from abroad to their bona fide customers while blocking access to those with nefarious intent.
murray wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:40 pm
For those still not convinced and think that they really need a VPN to stay safe or keep things private, have a read of Don't use VPN services.
Very true and worth reading.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by Pippin » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:09 am

murray wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:40 pm
For those still not convinced and think that they really need a VPN to stay safe or keep things private, have a read of Don't use VPN services.
This link
https://schub.io/blog/2019/04/08/very-p ... ative.html
to be found there is spot on, good writing.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:35 am

This is definitely worth a read...hackers are now highjacking VPN connections in linux...DAMIEN

https://fossbytes.com/hackers-hijack-vp ... erability/
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by Pippin » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:29 pm

On my Mint 18.3

Code: Select all

sysctl -a | grep rp_filter
all rp-filter is set to 1, so I'm good.

It's not like a hacker can take over so easily b.t.w.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:03 pm

In the last months I had connection problems with the Mint Forums again and again. The - obviously american server - has problems with european users.
Here Opera helped repeatedly with their pseudo-VPN - just tonight again...

Funnily enough my Opera is secured with uBlockOrigin and uMatrix in all its glory... :mrgreen:
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by GS3 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:41 pm

absque fenestris wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:03 pm
In the last months I had connection problems with the Mint Forums again and again. The - obviously american server - has problems with european users.
Here Opera helped repeatedly with their pseudo-VPN - just tonight again...

Funnily enough my Opera is secured with uBlockOrigin and uMatrix in all its glory... :mrgreen:
That's strange. I have never, ever had any problems accessing these forums and I use quite a few very unreliable and complicated connections. I do not think it is anything on the server side and it is more probably on your end.

Mostly I find some sales sites like home depot and some news sites will block foreign connections. So someone posts a link to a product and to see what they are talking about I have to do a long work-around.

Try chicagotribune.com and https://www.homedepot.com/ . They are blocked for me.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by Pippin » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:54 pm

Experiencing the same as absque fenestris here, also Europe but don't know if it has anything to do with that.
When it happens it's a 503 showing Sucuri page.
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by GS3 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:04 pm

Pippin wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:54 pm
Experiencing the same as absque fenestris here, also Europe but don't know if it has anything to do with that.
When it happens it's a 503 showing Sucuri page.
503 is definitely a server side error and I believe it should make no difference whether the request came one way or another.

Never happened to me though but with my luck it'll start happening non stop now. :)
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:25 pm

I don't know what's going on here, but that's the facts:
Generally - I connect all my devices to the Internet via my Android smartphone, which is set up as my secured hotspot.
Of course, my Internet connection depends on my smartphone network provider. Maybe they have some problems... ...
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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by absque fenestris » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:12 pm

GS3 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:41 pm
absque fenestris wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:03 pm
In the last months I had connection problems with the Mint Forums again and again. The - obviously american server - has problems with european users.
Here Opera helped repeatedly with their pseudo-VPN - just tonight again...

Funnily enough my Opera is secured with uBlockOrigin and uMatrix in all its glory... :mrgreen:
That's strange. I have never, ever had any problems accessing these forums and I use quite a few very unreliable and complicated connections. I do not think it is anything on the server side and it is more probably on your end.

Mostly I find some sales sites like home depot and some news sites will block foreign connections. So someone posts a link to a product and to see what they are talking about I have to do a long work-around.

Try chicagotribune.com and https://www.homedepot.com/ . They are blocked for me.

Well yes - Opera gave up 10 minutes ago - no VPN and so on... - now looked again with Vivaldi and the given website https://www.homedepot.com/... huh, a lot of traffic in there...


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Re: Do I Reall Need A VPN on Linux Mint

Post by cliffcoggin » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:37 am

absque fenestris wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:12 pm

Who knows Asterix* ?
Ils sont fous, ces Romains !
You can exchange the respective empires - and it's true again.

*Goscinny & Uderzo


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Thank you for reminding me of the Asterix books that I discovered in France 40 years ago. I must see if they are available here.
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