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One of them is lying

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And I don't think it's gparted...

A few minutes into a backintime auto snapshot last night this notification popped up:
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Didn't believe it, so immediately opened gparted:
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Showing that there is 83GB free on ultrabay (it's my backup drive in the ultrabay in the laptop).

There was no point in clicking on examine in the notification - this launches the 'disk usage analyser' which with a number of timeshift and backintime snapshots on the drive would take forever to run (and this happened just after midnight!).

Only other thing, but I don't think it's relevant, backintime is throwing up a lot of errors at the moment - there is a lot of stuff in /home owned by root because I'm running a chroot in there and building iso's.

Any ideas on what is misbehaving?

It's not running out of inodes:

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andy@T432 ~ $ df -i /dev/sdb2
Filesystem       Inodes   IUsed    IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/sdb2      54583296 3432236 51151060    7% /media/Ultrabay
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My understanding is that you generally want to keep partition use at or below 80% of capacity, as the file system needs space to move stuff around. You're at about 90% now. Not saying that IS the problem, but wouldn't surprise me.
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pbear wrote:
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My understanding is that you generally want to keep partition use at or below 80% of capacity, as the file system needs space to move stuff around. You're at about 90% now. Not saying that IS the problem, but wouldn't surprise me.
I agree. If I fill an ext4 drive beyond 90% it's because I'm archiving the entire disk, but the capacity of the disk determines how big or small that 10% is, so it's a bit of a hit and miss method given that drives go to huge sizes these days.
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it is my experience, that when you get that close, the backup programs are going to yellow Calf Rope and quit.

time to delete something.
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It is possible that the 'Trash' folders aren't emptying themselves. Hopefully, anyway.
If you go into your file explorer (Nemo/Caja/Thunar) as root and check the trash, you might have to throw it out yourself.
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We don't have trash, over here it's the rubbish bin :D
And it was empty.
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AndyMH wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:14 am
We don't have trash, over here it's the rubbish bin :D
And it was empty.
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:lol:

Although, a few days ago, I found a couple of folders/directories (I know I know) on my system that were hiding a few hundred GB of stuff that I thought I'd deleted which was a bit annoying as I'd emptied the rubbish, although quite liberating when they were snuffed.
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Out of curiosity, were they in your home directory or elsewhere? Which reminds me, Andy, check /root/.local/share/Trash.
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Hi pbear,
Mine were n't in /home but were in the / of other partitions on non-system drives. One was on an Android device, that was hooked up to LM, that I'd deleted files from using Double Commander (will have to experiment further if this is an anomaly or a setting that needs changing).

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.trash-1000
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Andy,
Its probably worth looking in /lost+found also - and check Disk Usage Analyser to see if certain paths are taking up more space than you think they should.

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gittiest personITW wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:15 pm
Its probably worth looking in /lost+found also - and check Disk Usage Analyser to see if certain paths are taking up more space than you think they should.
Thanks for that, sent me looking, nothing in lost+found, but in .Trash-0 I found nearly 50GB of files - old backups I thought I'd deleted. Don't think I need disk usage (which would probably take all night to run), think I've found the culprit. Now I've been full time on linux now for over four years and I thought trash (rubbish bin) showed you the trash on all drives - obviously not. You don't stop learning. :D
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AndyMH wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:41 pm
... in .Trash-0 I found nearly 50GB of files
Same question, was that a hidden directory in /home or somewhere else?
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Lost and found houses orphaned files, ie they have file names as inode numbers whose actual path and file nos. go missing.
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deepakdeshp wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:03 pm
Lost and found houses orphaned files, ie they have file names as inside numbers whose actual path and file nos. go missing.
It does seem when deleting large amounts of files in one go, some end up in lost+found. Maybe there is a glitch in the 'deleting' system? Or it could show a hard drive past the prime of its life? Or a problem with the disk controller not being able to catch up? Or quite a few other things also.....
I can't recall ever finding any files in lost+found on an ssd. That goes for system and non-system.

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You're right - just found 70GB of files in /root/.local/share/Trash
Cheers for that.

Are there any more damned trash/rubbish/deleted file repositories? It could be a bit iffy when there are too many places to look in one go and they can't be emptied automatically or at a click.
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pbear wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:14 pm
Same question, was that a hidden directory in /home or somewhere else?
No, this was .Trash-0 on my backup drive (/media/ultrabay) - two folders in there, files and info. files had one image backup set in there from testing. When I delete files I normally permanently delete them, obviously this time pressed the wrong key.
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Very useful to know, thanks.
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