Linux Mint 21 “Vanessa” Cinnamon released!

[wujastyk]

Snapping has been silently removed, one of the regressions in LM 21 Cinnamon. Sadly not one word about that in the changelog. ...

Not "silently." It's stated in the Release Notes. No need to be sad any more.

Yes, as @Redsandro said, I understood you to be talking about the Snap infrastructure. I apologise for misunderstanding your remark, @Cosmo.

Best wishes everyone,
Dominik

[motoryzen]

Snapping has been silently removed, one of the regressions in LM 21 Cinnamon

Please...sincerely..tell me that is a joke. Or that " snapping" doesn't meant Window snapping....as in win logo button + arrow keys to move and snap windows to any of the sides and corners of the screen just like in Windows 10. That is one of the main thing I most often use...daily in LM Cinnamon and why I chose and continue always sticking with it and coming back to it from trying other distros.

[Cosmo.]

Yes, as @Redsandro said, I understood you to be talking about the Snap infrastructure. I apologise for misunderstanding your remark, @Cosmo.

Accepted Dominik.

But did you ever read the word snapping in context with Snap?

[Cosmo.]

Snapping has been silently removed, one of the regressions in LM 21 Cinnamon

Please...sincerely..tell me that is a joke. Or that " snapping" doesn't meant Window snapping....as in win logo button + arrow keys to move and snap windows to any of the sides and corners of the screen just like in Windows 10. That is one of the main thing I most often use...daily in LM Cinnamon and why I chose and continue always sticking with it and coming back to it from trying other distros.

Pitifully you understood it right and I did not make a joke.
LM 21 Cinnamon has 2 silently done regressions, this is one of them.

The good news: LM 21 has nothing, what I call a killer feature and 20.3 is supported for nearly 3 more years. So no need to upgrade. (I myself will do this only in a virtual machine and only for testing the upgrade tool, when it has landed.)

[apawelec]

Snapping has been silently removed, one of the regressions in LM 21 Cinnamon

Please...sincerely..tell me that is a joke. Or that " snapping" doesn't meant Window snapping....as in win logo button + arrow keys to move and snap windows to any of the sides and corners of the screen just like in Windows 10. That is one of the main thing I most often use...daily in LM Cinnamon and why I chose and continue always sticking with it and coming back to it from trying other distros.

There was two modes - tiling and snapping. If you mean tiling - it is still available. What was removed is snapping - if you have, for example, two maximized windows, and snap one of them (move to side with ctrl button holded), the other window will automatically be snapped on other side (both windows will take half screen). If you resize snapped window, the other window size will be automatically adjusted and so on. It's really useful feature and probably quite unique in regular, non-tiling Linux window managers. For me personally it is reason to skip Mint 21, but I really hope it will be re-implementent in one of next point releases... (maybe dev team just doesn't have enough time to add it in new Muffin version).

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Snapping has been silently removed, one of the regressions in LM 21 Cinnamon

Please...sincerely..tell me that is a joke. Or that " snapping" doesn't meant Window snapping....as in win logo button + arrow keys to move and snap windows to any of the sides and corners of the screen just like in Windows 10. That is one of the main thing I most often use...daily in LM Cinnamon and why I chose and continue always sticking with it and coming back to it from trying other distros.

There was two modes - tiling and snapping. If you mean tiling - it is still available. What was removed is snapping - if you have, for example, two maximized windows, and snap one of them (move to side with ctrl button), the other window will automatically be snapped on other side (both windows will take half screen). If you resize snapped window, the other window size will be automatically adjusted and so on. It's really useful feature and probably quite unique in regular, non-tiling Linux window managers. For me personally it is reason to skip Mint 21, but I really hope it will be re-implementent in one of next point releases... (maybe dev team just doesn't have enough time to add it in new Muffin version).

What about using the Super Key (formerly known as the Windows key) and the arrow keys to move windows to one side or the other or up and down?

[apawelec]

Please...sincerely..tell me that is a joke. Or that " snapping" doesn't meant Window snapping....as in win logo button + arrow keys to move and snap windows to any of the sides and corners of the screen just like in Windows 10. That is one of the main thing I most often use...daily in LM Cinnamon and why I chose and continue always sticking with it and coming back to it from trying other distros.

There was two modes - tiling and snapping. If you mean tiling - it is still available. What was removed is snapping - if you have, for example, two maximized windows, and snap one of them (move to side with ctrl button), the other window will automatically be snapped on other side (both windows will take half screen). If you resize snapped window, the other window size will be automatically adjusted and so on. It's really useful feature and probably quite unique in regular, non-tiling Linux window managers. For me personally it is reason to skip Mint 21, but I really hope it will be re-implementent in one of next point releases... (maybe dev team just doesn't have enough time to add it in new Muffin version).

What about using the Super Key (formerly known as the Windows key) and the arrow keys to move windows to one side or the other or up and down?

Of course you can do it that way, but whole idea of snapping is doing this automatically for you. And if resize one of these windows, the other will stay intact. I realize that this isn't absolutely must-have feature for most users, I'm just saying about my personal preferences.

[Cosmo.]

Or in short: This is no snapping.

[Pjotr]

Or in short: This is no snapping.

Ik snap er niks van.

[rene]

Snapping has been silently removed, one of the regressions in LM 21 Cinnamon

Please...sincerely..tell me that is a joke. Or that " snapping" doesn't meant Window snapping....as in win logo button + arrow keys to move and snap windows to any of the sides and corners of the screen just like in Windows 10.

I'm enough of a non-GUI person that I frankly still have no idea what this is about but I saw a YouTube review someone linked here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnEo_rkamqQ, and I take it then you are not talking about the annoying window flipping stuff at 3:00? Is it only a then supposed keyboard vs mouse method? Or...?

[t42]

Another feature removed from Cinnamon is Windows --> Buttons feature, allowing to add to titlebar such buttons like shade, stick. Now it's called Button Layout with limited functionality. It was 'silently' removed from LM 19.3 but the original options were available in the dconf database and it was possible to customize buttons with such command as

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 dconf write /org/cinnamon/desktop/wm/preferences/button-layout "'menu,shade,stick:minimize,maximize,close'"

In LM 21 this possibility disappeared.

[rdfuhr]

When will the upgrade tool become available, for upgrading from 20.3 to 21? I have been checking this forum and checking the blog and have seen no mention of the specific time frame. I agree that the upgrade tool should not be released until the developers have made sure that it is ready.

[Cosmo.]

'menu' seems to be still available; it now lets a hamburger icon appear.
But the other 2 options are obviously gone.

[SMG]

When will the upgrade tool become available, for upgrading from 20.3 to 21?

The update tool is always available later than the release--weeks later not days later. It has been less than a week since LM21 was released.

When the tool is available, the information will be posted on the Linux Mint blog. Asking about it here will not make that release happen any faster. This is a user forum where users help other users.

[Chrysolite Azalea]

When will the upgrade tool become available, for upgrading from 20.3 to 21?

The update tool is always available later than the release--weeks later not days later. It has been less than a week since LM21 was released.

When the tool is available, the information will be posted on the Linux Mint blog. Asking about it here will not make that release happen any faster. This is a user forum where users help other users.

I wonder, can Linux Mint be updated the way Debian is usually updated (by replacing the 20.3 repositories with 21 repositories), without using the Mint update tool?

[Cosmo.]

This is not recommended, be prepared to fall in trouble.

If at all, do a Timeshift snapshot at first. Otherwise you can get into the situation, where you need to reinstall

[SMG]

I wonder, can Linux Mint be updated the way Debian is usually updated (by replacing the 20.3 repositories with 21 repositories), without using the Mint update tool?

The Linux Mint developers would know the best way to properly update Linux Mint and they have never recommended doing what you suggested doing.

Why do you think they are spending all the time and effort to create an update tool if all that is needed is to just switch repositories (as you propose)? That does not seem logical to me.

[motoryzen]

Sorry to sound like I'm ganging up on that person here mentioning the idea of doing what Debian does to do an update on the OS version, but smg has proven herself well on this site and provided solid help to many across a variety of problems.

What she said makes sense in my opinion the same way that I'd rather trust Honda who built and designed my car to know more about my car than I would overall and not try to go around them when it came to any major design changing things unless they, Honda, provided the changing tool.

[mcroger]

When will the upgrade tool become available, for upgrading from 20.3 to 21?

The update tool is always available later than the release--weeks later not days later. It has been less than a week since LM21 was released.

When the tool is available, the information will be posted on the Linux Mint blog. Asking about it here will not make that release happen any faster. This is a user forum where users help other users.

I wonder, can Linux Mint be updated the way Debian is usually updated (by replacing the 20.3 repositories with 21 repositories), without using the Mint update tool?

Some have done it here for instance, but at your own risks.

[jackkileen]

Some have done it here for instance, but at your own risks.

''Some" might be overstating a bit after looking at all the less than successful attempts in the replies