updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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Yesterday I updated to 21.3 and it runs fine. I tried the experimental Wayland and have found an issue. This computer is an older computer and is not my daily driver, it is a play-around computer. When I log out, choose Wayland, log back in I cannot access package manager nor will update manager work. It took a while, and I must have been sleepy because once found it is evident. In Wayland the pop-up for authentication was not popping up so I could never authenticate to open Synaptic or Update Manager.

If I try to log log out, I can't get to that screen. It seems like it is going to the log in screen but it comes back to desktop. A reboot will allow me access to log in - log out screen and I can then get out of Wayland. I use auto-login after reboot.

On this computer is also Debian 12 KDE and I don't have the Wayland issues on Debian 12. I know it is experimental, the standard session works fine and that is good. Just a heads up to those people who watch such things.

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System:
  Kernel: 6.5.0-14-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4 tk: GTK 3.24.33
    wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: 520-1020 v: 1.04 serial: <superuser required>
    Chassis: type: 3 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: PEGATRON model: 2AC3 v: 1.04 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: 7.11
    date: 02/24/2012
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Pentium G620 bits: 64 type: MCP smt: <unsupported>
    arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2594 min/max: 1600/2600 cores: 1: 2594 2: 2594 bogomips: 10377
  Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: i915 v: kernel ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2, VGA-1
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0102 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Chicony HP High Definition 1MP Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-1.5:5
    chip-ID: 04f2:b2a3 class-ID: 0e02
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
    gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.0x11.2") s-diag: 582mm (22.9")
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 size: N/A modes: 1920x1080
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 2000 (SNB GT1) v: 3.3 Mesa 23.0.4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1
    direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1c20 class-ID: 0403
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k6.5.0-14-generic running: yes
  Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.99.1 running: yes
  Sound Server-3: PipeWire v: 0.3.48 running: yes
Network:
  Device-1: Ralink RT5392 PCIe Wireless Network Adapter driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 pcie:
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 1814:5392 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlp4s0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: e000 bus-ID: 07:00.0
    chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
  IF: enp7s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 44.93 GiB (9.6%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST3500413AS size: 465.76 GiB speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: HDD
    rpm: 7200 serial: <filter> rev: HP63 scheme: GPT
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 54.7 GiB used: 29.45 GiB (53.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
  ID-2: /boot/efi size: 96 MiB used: 42.7 MiB (44.4%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda2
  ID-3: /home size: 68.2 GiB used: 15.44 GiB (22.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.95 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda7
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Hub-2: 1-1:2 info: Intel Integrated Rate Matching Hub ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    chip-ID: 8087:0024 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-1.4:3 info: Chicony Wireless Device type: Keyboard,HID,Mouse
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 3 rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s power: 100mA chip-ID: 04f2:0981
    class-ID: 0301
  Hub-3: 2-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Hub-4: 2-1:2 info: Intel Integrated Rate Matching Hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    chip-ID: 8087:0024 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 2-1.1:3 info: SiGma Micro Keyboard TRACER Gamma Ivory type: Keyboard,HID
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s power: 98mA chip-ID: 1c4f:0002
    class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: 2-1.2:4 info: USB OPTICAL MOUSE type: Mouse driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1
    rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s power: 100mA chip-ID: 275d:0ba6 class-ID: 0301
  Device-3: 2-1.5:5 info: Chicony HP High Definition 1MP Webcam type: Video driver: uvcvideo
    interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s power: 500mA chip-ID: 04f2:b2a3 class-ID: 0e02
  Device-4: 2-1.6:6 info: NextWindow Touchscreen type: HID driver: hid-generic,usbhid
    interfaces: 2 rev: 1.1 speed: 12 Mb/s power: 100mA chip-ID: 1926:0dbe class-ID: 0300
  Hub-5: 3-0:1 info: Hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-6: 4-0:1 info: Super-speed hub ports: 2 rev: 3.0 speed: 5 Gb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
    class-ID: 0900
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 44.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Repos:
  Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 2574
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] http: //dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft-edge.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https: //packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge/ stable main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozillateam-ppa-focal.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
    1: deb https: //mirrors.advancedhosters.com/linuxmint/packages virginia main upstream import backport
    2: deb http: //mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub2/ubuntu jammy main restricted universe multiverse
    3: deb http: //mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub2/ubuntu jammy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    4: deb http: //mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub2/ubuntu jammy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    5: deb http: //security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy-security main restricted universe multiverse
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] http: //repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
Info:
  Processes: 220 Uptime: 17m wakeups: 0 Memory: 7.65 GiB used: 1.82 GiB (23.7%) Init: systemd
  v: 249 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 11.4.0 alt: 11/12/9 Client: Unknown python3.10 client
  inxi: 3.3.13
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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urdrwho wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:28 pm Yesterday I updated to 21.3 and it runs fine. I tried the experimental Wayland and have found an issue.
I don't see it yet in the Wayland Issues, but the developers are aware of some issues and may be adding to the release notes.

The advice is to reboot before switching back from a Wayland session to x11 because the Wayland environment persists into the following session right now and and it breaks session-type detection. However, I'm not sure that's the sequence you used?
urdrwho wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:28 pm This computer is an older computer and is not my daily driver, it is a play-around computer. When I log out, choose Wayland, log back in I cannot access package manager nor will update manager work. It took a while, and I must have been sleepy because once found it is evident. In Wayland the pop-up for authentication was not popping up so I could never authenticate to open Synaptic or Update Manager.

If I try to log log out, I can't get to that screen. It seems like it is going to the log in screen but it comes back to desktop. A reboot will allow me access to log in - log out screen and I can then get out of Wayland. I use auto-login after reboot.
Are you saying that you booted into X11 and then logged out and logged into Wayland and had the problem? Or had you originally logged into Wayland, logged out, and then logged back into Wayland? Maybe there is something else going on that they need to know about.
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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Tried an experiment.
I booted into Mint - Wayland session was the default startup - no popup for Synaptic authentication.
I could log-out and I logged-out
Started X session with Cinnamon default - popup for synaptic authentication works
Log-out screen is available.
I reboot.
Session is now an X-session - popup for synaptic is available.
Log-out
Log in with Wayland session.
Now when I try to get to the log-out screen it defaults to desktop screen only. I'll need to do a clean reboot to make the log-out screen available.
On Debian KDE I can go to an area that I choose the startup behavior; do I want X or Wayland as startup. Does Mint have that option? I don't think I've ever seen it available anywhere.
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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urdrwho wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:44 pmOn Debian KDE I can go to an area that I choose the startup behavior; do I want X or Wayland as startup. Does Mint have that option? I don't think I've ever seen it available anywhere.
I am not aware there is the option. I only know of the option at the login screen (in the drop-down).
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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Thanks.
SMG wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:54 pmI am not aware there is the option. I only know of the option at the login screen (in the drop-down).
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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urdrwho wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:37 am Thanks.
SMG wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:54 pmI am not aware there is the option. I only know of the option at the login screen (in the drop-down).
I'm going to move your topic to our new Cinnamon on Wayland forum.

Also, I was told that functions that require root access (such as ones you tried) do not yet work on Wayland. I will be working to gather information on what is known and have it in a pinned topic. We're all still learning on this so it will take some time to get a system in place to best handle questions on the forum.
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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Sounds good. I looked for a Wayland Forum but could not find one but now I have a link.
SMG wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:46 am I'm going to move your topic to our new Cinnamon on Wayland forum.

Also, I was told that functions that require root access (such as ones you tried) do not yet work on Wayland. I will be working to gather information on what is known and have it in a pinned topic. We're all still learning on this so it will take some time to get a system in place to best handle questions on the forum.
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Re: updated to 21.3 - experimental wayland issues

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urdrwho wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 6:45 pm Sounds good. I looked for a Wayland Forum but could not find one but now I have a link.
SMG wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:46 am I'm going to move your topic to our new Cinnamon on Wayland forum.

Also, I was told that functions that require root access (such as ones you tried) do not yet work on Wayland. I will be working to gather information on what is known and have it in a pinned topic. We're all still learning on this so it will take some time to get a system in place to best handle questions on the forum.
Let me amend my statement a little. GUI apps that require a password do not yet work, but using sudo on the command line should work.

The Wayland forum was made after you created your topic which is why you didn't find it.
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