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Lady Fitzgerald wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:26 pm RMA it which I find rather irritating.
That sort of thing does get my goat.

But, probably, not quite as "irritating" for me as "Google it" .. :twisted:
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BG405 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:40 pm
Lady Fitzgerald wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:26 pm RMA it which I find rather irritating.
That sort of thing does get my goat.

But, probably, not quite as "irritating" for me as "Google it" .. :twisted:
Oh, yeah. Like Google is the only search engine. :roll:
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Lady Fitzgerald wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:51 pm
BG405 wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:40 pm
Lady Fitzgerald wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:26 pm RMA it which I find rather irritating.
That sort of thing does get my goat.

But, probably, not quite as "irritating" for me as "Google it" .. :twisted:
Oh, yeah. Like Google is the only search engine. :roll:
It is for the brain washed masses.
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ivar wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:03 pm especially on laptops with PCMCIA slots (anyone remember those?)
Had to do some spec surfing on that one! I knew I had several but could not remember what they were and what laptops. I think one of them was for some kind of memory card. Odd though as I don't think I had a digital camera yet. Thought it might have been for a modem but my laptops had that built in. The thing those first two laptops did not have was wireless networking. Must have been for that. I do remember sitting in a coffee shop surfing the internet with a laptop that would not have had wireless networking. I sure don't think I would have been plugging in the Ethernet and am certain that I wasn't using the built in modem. My first laptop with built in wireless still had a modem and a PC card slot and I had a digital camera by then. I remember Verizon had like a hotspot PMCIA card. One of my customers let me borrow that so I could support him while on vacation. Really cool stuff back then!
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wwblm wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:02 pm Must have been for that. I do remember sitting in a coffee shop surfing the internet with a laptop that would not have had wireless networking.
I actually have a yet-untested PCMCIA wireless network module; also have a couple of PC PCMCIA interface cards which are still new-in-packaging! I also know that modules exist for e.g. CF cards but not sure when these first appeared? I'd be tempted to see if I can get that ancient Dell desktop online with the aforementioned. But I doubt modern WiFi security/encryption protocols will be supported.
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HA! I have not seen or used a PCMCIA card in so long I cannot recall. I remember when laptops can with the slot for those things.

Now I never used 8" floppies, but I certainly used many a 5.25" floppy disk in my day. I also remember using cassettes (tapes) for storage.
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MurphCID wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:34 am I also remember using cassettes (tapes) for storage.
Having to use cassettes was one of the primary reasons I bought a 1541 as soon as I could afford one!

Ten minutes to load my program, ten minutes to save and another ten to verify .. 30 minutes lost in every programming session.

That was before I started adding machine code modules (e.g. mouse and display interrupt drivers) and putting stuff under the BASIC ROM etc..

Even without the Freeze Machine cartridge (which I already had by then .. and was very keen to use its disk utilities) this whole process was cut to less than four minutes; no need to verify as it's done on-the-fly with those venerable 5¼" disks.

N.B. With the FM cartridge, cassette load/save times were cut to ⅕th but verification was still necessary, so still slower than the default slow 1541 transfer rate. That cartridge (which I gave away) and my current Action Replay cut disk operation times down to a fraction of this.
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MurphCID wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:34 amNow I never used 8" floppies, but I certainly used many a 5.25" floppy disk in my day.
8" were a bit iffy and then came the 5-1/4" How could they be better? But they were. They were much more likely to work.
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RollyShed wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:21 pm
8" were a bit iffy and then came the 5-1/4" How could they be better? But they were. They were much more likely to work.
I always thought it was funny that they called the 3 - 1/2s floppies as well. Guess they probably were more likely to work but truly my use of 5 - 1/4 was not that long so I don't remember. I do remember the frustration of trying to put a dozen floppy files together to work on the database file I still work on. Back then, when the inevitable floppy disk failure would occur, we would loose at least a day waiting for the next fedex package and hope that all of those would be good. Gosh and the time to split and copy all those files.

That is why even 230kbs AppleTalk was so neat. Could move a whole floppy in a matter of seconds;-)
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wwblm wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:49 pmI always thought it was funny that they called the 3 - 1/2s floppies as well.
They were floppies (thin plastic with magnetic layer) but in a solid case instead of a flexible envelope as the 8" and 5-1/4" were.
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Well, I'm old enough my first computer loaded programs off a cassette tape, if that tells you anything, The whole app thing makes me cringe, almost as much as download. "I've downloaded it 20 times but it won't open." Cannot count how many times hearing this. Then I explain, there is a difference between downloading and INSTALLING a program. Nomenclature matters.


Then I'm ten minutes explaining what nomenclature means....
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RollyShed wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:39 pm What do you mean? All cars have gear leavers..... don't they? Mine certainly does.
When I was young, some cars had push buttons. I hear that is making a come back. I recently rented a van that had a knob that you turned like the volume on the radio. Did not like that. Wife's car has "paddles" on the back of the steering wheel. Guess you could call those gear leavers;-) They are kind of fun to use but are rarely used.

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DisturbedDragon wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:08 pm I also ride a GSXR1000 which is obviously a manual as well.
Used to have a GS1100ET. Sweet spot on the cams took my breath away! Very happy with my PC800 these days. Only manual I have and not teaching the grandson on that :wink:
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A couple of terminology nits...

"IT" vs. "Electronic Data Processing (EDP)".

"Folder" vs. "Directory".

In both cases I still insist the latter is the proper term.
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cbraxton wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:04 pm A couple of terminology nits...

"IT" vs. "Electronic Data Processing (EDP)".

"Folder" vs. "Directory".

In both cases I still insist the latter is the proper term.
Potato or potahto? Some say some folders are not directories, some say both are interchangeable, so on and so on. This is a curious discussion on this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/507 ... d-a-folder.
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In my book it's only a "folder" if you can physically fold it ..! :roll:

And folders are for documents, nothing else. Who for example would actually try to store their physical music and video collections in physical folders ..? Doesn't make sense.

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BG405 wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:52 pm In my book it's only a "folder" if you can physically fold it ..! :roll:

And folders are for documents, nothing else. Who for example would actually try to store their physical music and video collections in physical folders ..? Doesn't make sense.

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I guess a lot of people don't make sense since I see folders for music and video collections quite frequently. Here's but two for example:

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Strewth I'd forgotten about those! I probably have one or more knocking around somewhere. But my mind's eye envisioned people trying to stuff CDs in them with their jewel cases .. and VHS cassettes, etc.. :mrgreen:
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BG405 wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:49 pm Strewth I'd forgotten about those! I probably have one or more knocking around somewhere. But my mind's eye envisioned people trying to stuff CDs in them with their jewel cases .. and VHS cassettes, etc.. :mrgreen:
Jewel cases waste far too much space, especially the ones for DVDs. I use these storage cases and toss the original cases:

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One of those cases holds 150 double sided hanging sleeves for a total of 300 optical discs (CD, DVD, BD). I have nine of those cases with the last two almost full (I keep my CDs in separate cases from my DVDs and BDs). I can store 300 CDs, DVDs, and BDs in the same amount of space 40 DVD cases take up.

Each disc gets a four digit reference number and I keep "lists" (actually, the folders I keep the rips and cover scans in) of everything so I can quickly find a disc by reference number (I have software I can use to generate a list of titles from the folders so I can print a booklet of what I have for when I dig through bargain bins and racks).
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I have a case which looks like that (a street find, like a monitor and one of my keyboards, along with other useful stuff people tend to leave out on their front walls etc.) albeit I think it's smaller but doesn't have the inserts. Guess that's what it was intended for. .. I have a collection of cables, adaptors and stuff in it.

I prefer to have my CDs in racks in their jewel cases, less risk of scratching them IMHO. Plus I like to keep them "as new" (and no longer lend stuff out, for this reason).
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BG405 wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:17 pm I have a case which looks like that (a street find, like a monitor and one of my keyboards, along with other useful stuff people tend to leave out on their front walls etc.) albeit I think it's smaller but doesn't have the inserts. Guess that's what it was intended for. .. I have a collection of cables, adaptors and stuff in it.

I prefer to have my CDs in racks in their jewel cases, less risk of scratching them IMHO. Plus I like to keep them "as new" (and no longer lend stuff out, for this reason).
The hanging sleeves that come with the cases I use help prevent scratching better than many CD cases. They are far less frustrating to get discs in and out of than many of the original cases.
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