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Re: What's the appeal that makes some people want to change their package manager?

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To be honest I've never heard of anyone doing that, but that may be on me. Is it a thing?
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There is usually no "appeal", people just want to try different things out of curiosity.
Oh, and also because some dumb Youtuber told them so. Like: "STOP USING APT! IT'S HORRIBLE!!!"
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The idea of global package managers that would be distro-agnostic and with packages as easily installable and updatable to their latest versions as executables on Windows is very old on Linux. So it is not just a question of appeal, trends, curiosity.
Simply all formats which we have been presented with until now never outweighed the obvious advantages of classic Linux package managers: security, stability and (not always) simplicity. But like it or not, flatpak has gained some traction and Linux Mint is doing the right thing by integrating flatpak especially when Ubuntu's future stance towards debian package manager hangs in the balance.
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spamegg wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:48 pm There is usually no "appeal", people just want to try different things out of curiosity.
Oh, and also because some dumb Youtuber told them so. Like: "STOP USING APT! IT'S HORRIBLE!!!"
To be fair, 'apt' (the recent-ish script) kind of is questionable at times (bit of a moving target between debian/ubuntu/mint of various releases). But if you're not bouncing all over the place like some of us, it's not *so* bad.
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Re: What's the appeal that makes some people want to change their package manager?

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I installed zypper on my system for testing. Except for trying it out there is no reason at all for it, especially because without tools like YaST it's horrible to manage. I also think that some openSUSE packages (where zypper is from) won't work on Mint, so that's a problem too.
But I do know that there are some package managers that are essentially wrappers for apt / apt-get. I believe one to be nala, but I've found it more annoying than apt itself.
TL;DR the only reason is for testing or if you want essentially a reskin for apt.
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diam0ndkiller wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:14 pm I installed zypper on my system for testing. Except for trying it out there is no reason at all for it, especially because without tools like YaST it's horrible to manage. I also think that some openSUSE packages (where zypper is from) won't work on Mint, so that's a problem too.
But I do know that there are some package managers that are essentially wrappers for apt / apt-get. I believe one to be nala, but I've found it more annoying than apt itself.
TL;DR the only reason is for testing or if you want essentially a reskin for apt.
I wouldn't use the OpenSUSE package manager in a distro that uses the Debian packaging system in a million years.
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Re: What's the appeal that makes some people want to change their package manager?

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spamegg wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:48 pm ... because some dumb Youtuber told them so. Like: "STOP USING APT! IT'S HORRIBLE!!!"
:lol:

Yeah, you have to be reasonably intelligent to see just how dumb you really are.
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MiZoG wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:31 pm But like it or not, flatpak has gained some traction and Linux Mint is doing the right thing by integrating flatpak especially when Ubuntu's future stance towards debian package manager hangs in the balance.
After 30+ years under the Microsoft regime, I can see similarities between Canonical and early windows. IMO Canonical want's to be the Microsoft of the Linux world. When something screwed up on my 21.1 system, I took advantage of the situation and installed LMDE6. Now no matter what they try to force on their user base I'm not affected. I can say that flatpaks are really slow to install under Debian, but after that the are fine.
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Moem wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:29 pm To be honest I've never heard of anyone doing that, but that may be on me.
Neither have I. Maybe some years back, with that APT bug? .. IMHO best to use the one(s) designed for the job.
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