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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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exploder wrote: Is anyone else testing out 12.04? I would like to know what other peoples experiences are, especially with different hardware.
I'm downloading it now and will give it a try tomorrow..
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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I cannot get the time to change off of 24 hour time to AM/PM time. When I set date and time settings I have it on AM/PM time. Any ideas?
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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SUPERFITTER wrote:I cannot get the time to change off of 24 hour time to AM/PM time. When I set date and time settings I have it on AM/PM time. Any ideas?


You're welcome :) i thought it would run well on ubuntu (after all, mint 12 is ubuntu 11.10 underneath...lol) actually, i hear it works well on all distros that have access to it...even the new Sabayon has it as an option...

Yes, the clock business is not related to the fact you are running it on ubuntu...it's a Cinnamon problem in the current version...
I started having the problem when i installed the latest version (1.2)...Clem is aware and it will be fixed in future version...meanwhile you (or anyone else with the problem) can fix it as they outlined below:

in cinnamon-settings -> calender. change the date format in panel.
the cap "H" means 24 hour. cap "I" means 12 hour:
%a %b %e, %I:%M or
%a %b %e, %I:%M %p


You'll also need to add "%p" after the line above if you want to see AM/PM after the time as well:

%A %b %e %l:%M %p = Monday Jan 23 2:50 PM (the "time" is just an example of course).

You'll notice a link in Cinnamon settings/Calendar labeled: "Generate your own date formats"? Clicking on that link open your browser to that page,
which shows the various codes that are used for the clock...
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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@ MALsPa

I saw this today and thought you might be interested.

http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/more-cla ... ds-in.html

I am still running 12.04 64 bit with Unity on my laptop for the ralink wireless support and I actually like Unity on the smaller screen. Ubuntu has branched out to, tablets, TVs, cell phones, etc and Unity is a good thing where these devices are concerned. Ubuntu does not want to keep all their eggs in one basket and with today's economy it is a smart move on their part. Linux has never really made it into the mainstream PC market where Microsoft dominates but there are other markets where Linux could flourish and I think that is what Canonical has in mind. Just look at how well Android is doing.
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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exploder wrote:@ MALsPa

I saw this today and thought you might be interested.

http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/more-cla ... ds-in.html
Interesting... Thanks! Although, I have to say, I don't think I'll be using the classic (fallback) GNOME session. Unless I have to for some reason, I guess. Totally comfortable with either Unity or GNOME Shell.
exploder wrote:and I actually like Unity on the smaller screen.
Now, I wonder, how about on a larger screen? I've got Ubuntu 11.04 on my notebook, which has a 1366x768 screen. That's bigger than the 1024x768 monitor that I was using on my main pc up until a few months ago, but I have no issues with Unity on it. The monitor I'm using now on my main pc is 1280x1024, and I'm perfectly fine using GNOME Shell on it. Am I the only one who feels that Unity and GNOME Shell are fine regardless of the screen size?
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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I'm using it on a 17 inch screen laptop and it's fine to me...of course, i'd imagine your monitor is much bigger :wink:

If Gnome 3 shell looks fine to you on your monitor, then i would think unity also would look fine as well...
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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FYI, found this thread at the Ubuntu forums regarding updating 12.04 when the final comes out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1923439
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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I've been playing with it today on my 64bit laptop. It looks good so I suspect Mint 13 will be better.

Unity is fine but I much prefer gnome.

A lot of software is crippled I suspect because this is Alpha and the update manager is the pits..
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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craig10x wrote:
SUPERFITTER wrote:I cannot get the time to change off of 24 hour time to AM/PM time. When I set date and time settings I have it on AM/PM time. Any ideas?


You're welcome :) i thought it would run well on ubuntu (after all, mint 12 is ubuntu 11.10 underneath...lol) actually, i hear it works well on all distros that have access to it...even the new Sabayon has it as an option...

Yes, the clock business is not related to the fact you are running it on ubuntu...it's a Cinnamon problem in the current version...
I started having the problem when i installed the latest version (1.2)...Clem is aware and it will be fixed in future version...meanwhile you (or anyone else with the problem) can fix it as they outlined below:

in cinnamon-settings -> calender. change the date format in panel.
the cap "H" means 24 hour. cap "I" means 12 hour:
%a %b %e, %I:%M or
%a %b %e, %I:%M %p


You'll also need to add "%p" after the line above if you want to see AM/PM after the time as well:

%A %b %e %l:%M %p = Monday Jan 23 2:50 PM (the "time" is just an example of course).

You'll notice a link in Cinnamon settings/Calendar labeled: "Generate your own date formats"? Clicking on that link open your browser to that page,
which shows the various codes that are used for the clock...
Thank you again, works perfect now.
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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I started out trying Ubuntu 12.04 because I needed support for my Ralink WiFi on my notebook and I knew that Ubuntu would likely have support for it in one form or another. I could have kept Windows 7 on the laptop but I just do not like Windows. I have looked at Unity in the past using VirtualBox but they seem to be putting in extra effort to make it solid in the LTS. Ubuntu has improved greatly in the area of appearance and things are looking more consistent.

I have had no real luck with hardware support in Ubuntu since 8.04, that's a very long time! The open source ATI and NVidea drivers have come a long way and things are not freezing up on me like in the past. My laptop is using the open source ATI drivers and they are working just fine, I have compositing with them and the display looks crisp and sharp.

The open source NVidea drivers work and I had no freezing on my main computer when I tested on it. The open source NVidea drivers gave me compositing but the display was not as crisp as with the proprietary drivers. I did not experience any freezing up with the open source drivers and they are usable.

So far the LTS is reasonably stable for being an alpha release. There is an error that comes up once each time the system is booted, it is a plymouth related issue and the developers are aware of it. A few applications are slow to load and some are slow to close but this is an alpha release after all. Some are reporting issues with Synaptic but so far it has worked for me.

So far it looks like 12.04 will have the hardware support many of us have not seen for a long time. Clem should have a much easier job with Mint 13 and everyone should have a good experience with the LTS as a base.

Edit: I should mention, PCLinuxOS KDE x64 is still my operating system of choice on my main computer. My main computer has been completely reliable and error free since installing PCLinuxOS on it. PCLinuxOS just works so well on my main computer and if my wireless adapter was supported my laptop would be running it too. Currently, the Ubuntu alpha release is much better than Windows was and I have to give Ubuntu credit for developing their own UI.
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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No problem....glad to have been of help :)
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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malspa...i decided to install ubuntu 11.10 for now and wait for the final release of 12.04....meanwhile i am really enjoying 11.10 and got completely adjusted to using unity and actually like it a lot :wink: :)

it also runs very well and i love the way it looks (especially with the light theme)...

i was also glad to hear that they have already patched 12.04 with that "power regression patch" so power consumption should be GREATLY reduced...
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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I readed this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-1 ... 3628.shtml

Just wondering the comment there (I bolded the wondering part):
At the moment, HUD was introduced alongside the current menus placed on the Unity Panel, but in the end, the Head-Up Display system will entirely replace menus in Unity applications. However, this will most probably happen in Ubuntu 12.10.

HUD was developed by Canonical in-house during the last 18 months, and believe it or not it is here to revolutionize the Linux desktop.
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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A lot of people like the idea of HUD. I like the idea because so many people think that Ubuntu is dumbing down Linux, this feature is not dumbed down and it is original. So far 12.04 is looking to be one of the best Ubuntu releases in a long time. Another way of looking at things is that since the introduction of Gnome 3, we now have Mate, Gnome fallback mode, Cinnamon and Unity. The user that wants the traditional desktop can have it and people that are interested in new approaches have some nice choices.

Canonical is really putting in the time to make Unity a decent choice and the TV interface they have come up with looks really good. I think by not limiting Ubuntu to the desktop Canonical has found a way to be a profitable company and that has been their goal since the beginning. I look at the success Google Android is enjoying and I can see Ubuntu doing the same and they are gaining more partners all the time.

People go crazy over having the latest, greatest cell phone technology and Unity has that sort of appeal. I have to give Canonical credit for having the guts to go with something on their own and putting in the development time and effort to make it happen. It will be very interesting watching Unity evolve and what other ideas go into it in the future.
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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exploder wrote:I have to give Canonical credit for having the guts to go with something on their own and putting in the development time and effort to make it happen.
Yeah. They get a lot of criticism thrown at 'em, but... as they'd say down this way, "tienen cojones."

Oops. :shock:
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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They have added quite a few features to Unity 5.4 and I have seen some of their ideas for future releases. Unity is beginning to get that "cool factor" that new users are after.
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exploder wrote:A lot of people like the idea of HUD. I like the idea because so many people think that Ubuntu is dumbing down Linux, this feature is not dumbed down and it is original. So far 12.04 is looking to be one of the best Ubuntu releases in a long time. Another way of looking at things is that since the introduction of Gnome 3, we now have Mate, Gnome fallback mode, Cinnamon and Unity. The user that wants the traditional desktop can have it and people that are interested in new approaches have some nice choices.

Canonical is really putting in the time to make Unity a decent choice and the TV interface they have come up with looks really good. I think by not limiting Ubuntu to the desktop Canonical has found a way to be a profitable company and that has been their goal since the beginning. I look at the success Google Android is enjoying and I can see Ubuntu doing the same and they are gaining more partners all the time.

People go crazy over having the latest, greatest cell phone technology and Unity has that sort of appeal. I have to give Canonical credit for having the guts to go with something on their own and putting in the development time and effort to make it happen. It will be very interesting watching Unity evolve and what other ideas go into it in the future.
Definitely, I think it works out great the way Ubuntu and Mint have completely different approaches and ambitions on top of basically the same OS and takes care of each their userbase. There's no reason Ubuntu should start pandering to Windows 95 fundamentalists and there's no reason Mint should experiment with pushing back UI boundaries with little regard to long time users.
Thank you for this thread. That’s all I can say. You most definitely have made this forum into something special. You clearly know what you are doing, you’ve covered so many bases. Thanks!
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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bimsebasse wrote:Definitely, I think it works out great the way Ubuntu and Mint have completely different approaches and ambitions on top of basically the same OS and takes care of each their userbase. There's no reason Ubuntu should start pandering to Windows 95 fundamentalists and there's no reason Mint should experiment with pushing back UI boundaries with little regard to long time users.
Well put. Something good out there for everyone.
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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MALsPa wrote:
bimsebasse wrote:Definitely, I think it works out great the way Ubuntu and Mint have completely different approaches and ambitions on top of basically the same OS and takes care of each their userbase. There's no reason Ubuntu should start pandering to Windows 95 fundamentalists and there's no reason Mint should experiment with pushing back UI boundaries with little regard to long time users.
Well put. Something good out there for everyone.
I agree, it's great to have different kind of UI's to choose from, but that wasn't my wondering.

It was that, can you have different kind of menus in same softwares?
Aren't both distributions using same software repositories?
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Re: Ubuntu 12.04

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Yeah...i see they are starting to add features already for unity...i am playing around with a 12.04 "daily build" from just 3 days ago and already i can:

1) adjust the size of the icons in the unity bar (made them much smaller)
2) by default, Unity Bar now does not autohide... but you can change that setting in "appearance" section and make it autohide and select for it to open when moved to left corner OR upper left hand corner...

Over time, no doubt they will be adding other options as well...it's got Gnome 3.3.5 and kernel 3.2.0-16

Only thing is when "autohide unity bar" is on, you really have to push a bit hard against the left side of the screen to get it to pop out...i know they are trying to make it so that it doesn't pop out by accident (while hitting the back arrow in your web browser) but i hope they smooth that out a bit by final release...
That setting does have a sensitivity control but it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference as far as i can see...

Of course this is an alpha daily build, so quite a bit of time yet for it to hopefully improve...
Otherwise, everything is very smooth, pretty darn stable and very snappy performance.... :D

I may "play" with Cairo Dock a bit on this live session tomorrow...but not sure if i will add it to my hard installed 11.10....i kind of like keeping things simple...

I've really become quite accustomed to Unity and actually like it a lot now :wink:
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